Picture it, this experiment goes well, we dont all die. we find out what happened just after the big bang.

what does that do for religion? surely that says that the bible is all guff?

Discuss.

I am more of an evolutionist than a creationist but at the same time I believe that there probably is a God.

Grey area.

Picture it, this experiment goes well, we dont all die. we find out what happened just after the big bang.

what does that do for religion? surely that says that the bible is all guff?

Discuss.

if they are re-creating the big bang, if a new universe doesn't appear with life then doesn't that prove that our universe wasn't started by a the big bang but something else?

hang around for a few billion years for it to evolve if you want

The thing is that apparently - it will take 10 or 20 years before they know what they have discovered - so that gives God a while to come up with his couter argument

and anyway - people are going to believe whatever they want to believe - regardless of what the scientists come up with. - there is no shortage of crackpot beliefs around now that fly in the face of science or even common reason

My only point is that the Bible is full of man made bulls**t.

5 million, wow for a machine to do nothing, they could of fed most of the dying people in Africa for that amount.

This experiment is going to recreate the first billionths of a second of our universe. Now if these scientists come up with some evidence for what went on before the big bang then we'll start to get somewhere. Untill then my opinion is most definatley in the creation camp. My head is torn by the whole debate, we have found out so much about our world but as of yet nothing to tell us what happened pre 13.7billion years ago

'Before the big bang' is as meaningful a concept as 'north of the north pole'. Time (and space) don't exist outside the universe, so couldn't occur before the big bang.

I agree, the idea of religion of any sorts and the bible is just bizarre, you can see that by the way these parasites prey on the most vulnerable in society. Ever seen a church congregation ? Makes the Hipkiss express passengers look semi-normal.

The idea of religion is bizzare? You are so ignorant it's shocking!!!

I guess myself and the other 95% of humanity who believe in a god are bizzare too!

What an absolute bullsh1t claim to make. Asked them all have you ? You've been in America too long you silly man. Why don't you join a cult and barracade yourself in a building or something ??????

The 90% of adults who believe in God include 93% of women, 96% of African-Americans and 93% of Republicans but only 86% of men, 85% of those with postgraduate degrees, and 87% of political independents.
The 84% of those who believe in the survival of the soul after death include 89% of women but only 78% of men, 86% of those without a college degree but only 78% of those with postgraduate degrees.
The 84% of the public who believe in miracles falls to 72% among those with postgraduate degrees, and rises to 90% among women and 90% among African-Americans.
The 82% who believe in heaven includes 89% of women but only 75% of men and falls to 71% among people aged 25 to 29 and those with postgraduate degrees.

Professor Richard Lynn, emeritus professor of psychology at Ulster University, said many more members of the "intellectual elite" considered themselves atheists than the national average.
A decline in religious observance over the last century was directly linked to a rise in average intelligence, he claimed.
But the conclusions - in a paper for the academic journal Intelligence - have been branded "simplistic" by critics.
Professor Lynn, who has provoked controversy in the past with research linking intelligence to race and sex, said university academics were less likely to believe in God than almost anyone else.
A survey of Royal Society fellows found that only 3.3 per cent believed in God - at a time when 68.5 per cent of the general UK population described themselves as believers.
A separate poll in the 90s found only seven per cent of members of the American National Academy of Sciences believed in God.
Professor Lynn said most primary school children believed in God, but as they entered adolescence - and their intelligence increased - many started to have doubts.
He told Times Higher Education magazine: "Why should fewer academics believe in God than the general population? I believe it is simply a matter of the IQ. Academics have higher IQs than the general population. Several Gallup poll studies of the general population have shown that those with higher IQs tend not to believe in God."
He said religious belief had declined across 137 developed nations in the 20th century at the same time as people became more intelligent.
But Professor Gordon Lynch, director of the Centre for Religion and Contemporary Society at Birkbeck College, London, said it failed to take account of a complex range of social, economic and historical factors.
"Linking religious belief and intelligence in this way could reflect a dangerous trend, developing a simplistic characterisation of religion as primitive, which - while we are trying to deal with very complex issues of religious and cultural pluralism - is perhaps not the most helpful response," he said.
Dr Alistair McFadyen, senior lecturer in Christian theology at Leeds University, said the conclusion had "a slight tinge of Western cultural imperialism as well as an anti-religious sentiment".
Dr David Hardman, principal lecturer in learning development at London Metropolitan University, said: "It is very difficult to conduct true experiments that would explicate a causal relationship between IQ and religious belief. Nonetheless, there is evidence from other domains that higher levels of intelligence are associated with a greater ability - or perhaps willingness - to question and overturn strongly felt institutions."

These figures are based on Americans and were sourced in 2003, however I doubt they will have changed that much.

Those statistics prove nothing. Statistics would prove me as a christian despite being a devout atheist so they're bulls**t.

Whilst I appreciate it doesn't represent how many people believe in God,

Whilst iam certainly no bible basher
the more i think about this whole planet we are on,the more it seems just too perfect for us to live to be created by accident.

This is my main reason for being a devout Christian. I'm sure I'll get ripped to shreds for declaring my faith here, but whatever. I cannot believe that matter just existed, then exploded, and created a world, perfectly placed in the solar system to develop life, which also by an accident of science produced intelligent life. That to me seems even more unlikely. Add to that the prayers that I have seen answered such as people who were critically ill making recoveries that doctors could not explain or when I see ardent athiests turn their life around to follow a new found faith - I can't believe they'd do that for an "imaginary friend". And yes, I do believe I have a relationship with a creator God.

As for the Big Bang, it's a scientific idea which like most are unproven. However, if it did occur, it's perfectly in step with the Bible anyway - it just proves there was a trigger action, which could well have been God-incurred.

Overall, I can't see what is going to be achieved by this experiment. It just seems like they're messing with things best left alone.

Why?

This is my main reason for being a devout Christian. I'm sure I'll get ripped to shreds for declaring my faith here, but whatever. I cannot believe that matter just existed, then exploded, and created a world, perfectly placed in the solar system to develop life, which also by an accident of science produced intelligent life. That to me seems even more unlikely. Add to that the prayers that I have seen answered such as people who were critically ill making recoveries that doctors could not explain or when I see ardent athiests turn their life around to follow a new found faith - I can't believe they'd do that for an "imaginary friend". And yes, I do believe I have a relationship with a creator God.

As for the Big Bang, it's a scientific idea which like most are unproven. However, if it did occur, it's perfectly in step with the Bible anyway - it just proves there was a trigger action, which could well have been God-incurred.

Overall, I can't see what is going to be achieved by this experiment. It just seems like they're messing with things best left alone.

I don't want to belittle you and i'm not trying to do this here - but....

If scientists create a new universe with their project, does that make them god?

I guess it'd make them creators. I would still say there is only one God.

Who's to say our universe wasn't created in a similar way to this experiment? Therefore God being nothing but a bunch of scientists?

Interesting thought actually. If we create another universe, what's to say a bunch of scientists in another universe didn't create us.

Interesting thought actually. If we create another universe, what's to say a bunch of scientists in another universe didn't create us.

Who's to say our universe wasn't created in a similar way to this experiment? Therefore God being nothing but a bunch of scientists?

Almost into the realms of science fiction now. But I've heard a theory that our entire universe is contained within a quark, a multiverse makes up an atom, and multidimensional multiverses exist which form molecules in the 26th dimension........
You can sort of understand that all of this stuff is getting ever and ever closer to God. Maybe what the scientists call "an infinite creator in the 26th dimension" is what others refer to simply as God?

I'd like to think there's something more than you're born you live for so long and then you die, although I think I'm going to be a tad bored if the afterlife involves me hanging around doing nothing all day in some sort of spirit world!!


As for God and the bible are these two things dependent on each other or can you believe in God without reading and believing the fictional tales because I'm having a hard time getting my head round the Adam and Eve "story"?