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post Nov 4 2017, 01:06 PM
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A worthy addition to the legends, Ray holds the Football League appearance record for Chester (406 games).

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post Nov 4 2017, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE (3mm @ Nov 4 2017, 01:06 PM) *
A worthy addition to the legends, Ray holds the Football League appearance record for Chester (406 games).

Ray Gill

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Thanks for putting that up 3mm. A worthy tribute to a great servant for the club.
I was lucky to see him play for a couple of seasons, certainly deserved of the status of “Legend”


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post Nov 4 2017, 06:35 PM
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Him and Ron Hughes were fixtures at full back in my first 3 seasons when teams played 2 3 5 formation.

Definitely a legend.
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post Nov 4 2017, 07:49 PM
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QUOTE (shunter blue @ Nov 4 2017, 07:35 PM) *
Him and Ron Hughes were fixtures at full back in my first 3 seasons when teams played 2 3 5 formation.

Definitely a legend.

Yup, those two were the full backs in my first few seasons. Full backs had to be quick and strong in those days and know how to cover the centre-half.

I know I've said this several times before but the 'W' formation played three at the back, the centre half and the two full backs. Both wingers played out wide (and forward - no defensive duties). The wing halves and the inside forwards occupied midfield. It's hard to describe the formation to those who didn't grow up with it, because it's so different to the formations played ever since. It died out at the top level of English football around the end of the fifties but was still the primary formation in the lower leagues (including non-league) until the mid-late sixties.


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post Nov 4 2017, 10:45 PM
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QUOTE (The Annexe @ Nov 4 2017, 07:49 PM) *
QUOTE (shunter blue @ Nov 4 2017, 07:35 PM) *
Him and Ron Hughes were fixtures at full back in my first 3 seasons when teams played 2 3 5 formation.

Definitely a legend.

Yup, those two were the full backs in my first few seasons. Full backs had to be quick and strong in those days and know how to cover the centre-half.

I know I've said this several times before but the 'W' formation played three at the back, the centre half and the two full backs. Both wingers played out wide (and forward - no defensive duties). The wing halves and the inside forwards occupied midfield. It's hard to describe the formation to those who didn't grow up with it, because it's so different to the formations played ever since. It died out at the top level of English football around the end of the fifties but was still the primary formation in the lower leagues (including non-league) until the mid-late sixties.

Blame Alf Ramsey! rolleyes.gif


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post Nov 6 2017, 12:37 PM
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QUOTE (The Annexe @ Nov 4 2017, 07:49 PM) *
QUOTE (shunter blue @ Nov 4 2017, 07:35 PM) *
Him and Ron Hughes were fixtures at full back in my first 3 seasons when teams played 2 3 5 formation.

Definitely a legend.

Yup, those two were the full backs in my first few seasons. Full backs had to be quick and strong in those days and know how to cover the centre-half.

I know I've said this several times before but the 'W' formation played three at the back, the centre half and the two full backs. Both wingers played out wide (and forward - no defensive duties). The wing halves and the inside forwards occupied midfield. It's hard to describe the formation to those who didn't grow up with it, because it's so different to the formations played ever since. It died out at the top level of English football around the end of the fifties but was still the primary formation in the lower leagues (including non-league) until the mid-late sixties.


Sir Alf Ramsey is credited with changing the formation of the national side to 4-2-4 and I suppose it just filtered it's way down the pyramid (which didn't exist in those days).
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post Nov 6 2017, 12:48 PM
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QUOTE (3mm @ Nov 4 2017, 01:06 PM) *
A worthy addition to the legends, Ray holds the Football League appearance record for Chester (406 games).

Ray Gill

Ray Gill Obituary




Just read Ray Gill's obituary and another blast from the past was Bill Souter. I knew Bill quite well as a bagatelle player for the Liver Hotel. Bill played for the Bromfield in Hoole and games between the 2 pubs were often played in a very hostile atmosphere as the teams were often the main challengers for the league title. A genial man I think the late Bill Souter worked for the Council.
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post Nov 6 2017, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE (shunter blue @ Nov 6 2017, 01:37 PM) *
QUOTE (The Annexe @ Nov 4 2017, 07:49 PM) *
QUOTE (shunter blue @ Nov 4 2017, 07:35 PM) *
Him and Ron Hughes were fixtures at full back in my first 3 seasons when teams played 2 3 5 formation.

Definitely a legend.

Yup, those two were the full backs in my first few seasons. Full backs had to be quick and strong in those days and know how to cover the centre-half.

I know I've said this several times before but the 'W' formation played three at the back, the centre half and the two full backs. Both wingers played out wide (and forward - no defensive duties). The wing halves and the inside forwards occupied midfield. It's hard to describe the formation to those who didn't grow up with it, because it's so different to the formations played ever since. It died out at the top level of English football around the end of the fifties but was still the primary formation in the lower leagues (including non-league) until the mid-late sixties.


Sir Alf Ramsey is credited with changing the formation of the national side to 4-2-4 and I suppose it just filtered it's way down the pyramid (which didn't exist in those days).

Non-UK international teams were playing other systems by the mid-late fifties. My first recollection of 4-2-4 was with the Brazil team of 1958 that introduced Pele to the world. I think it was Walter Winterbottom who first brought it to the England team in the 1962 finals in Chile, as he was using Maurice Norman and Bobby Moore as a central defensive pairing. Ramsey continued with it, but made a critical mod by 1966 in that he moved away from using pure wingers. Change took a while to filter down but had reached the lower echelons by the start of the seventies.


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post Nov 7 2017, 11:53 AM
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Isn't England's 6-3 hammering by Hungary usually seen as the moment English football realised how tactically behind it was?
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post Nov 7 2017, 12:13 PM
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Isn't England's 6-3 hammering by Hungary usually seen as the moment English football realised how tactically behind it was?

I think it was seen as the moment we realised we weren't superior to all other footballing nations. It took a good while longer for us to change playing style and formations. That Hungarian team had some world class players, which arguably is more important.


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post Nov 7 2017, 03:00 PM
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QUOTE (The Annexe @ Nov 7 2017, 12:13 PM) *
QUOTE (Lobster @ Nov 7 2017, 12:53 PM) *
Isn't England's 6-3 hammering by Hungary usually seen as the moment English football realised how tactically behind it was?

I think it was seen as the moment we realised we weren't superior to all other footballing nations. It took a good while longer for us to change playing style and formations. That Hungarian team had some world class players, which arguably is more important.

If my memory serves me right, I think we went over to Hungary soon after and lost 7-1


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post Nov 8 2017, 04:18 PM
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A worthy addition to the legends, Ray holds the Football League appearance record for Chester (406 games).

Ray Gill

Ray Gill Obituary




Just read Ray Gill's obituary and another blast from the past was Bill Souter. I knew Bill quite well as a bagatelle player for the Liver Hotel. Bill played for the Bromfield in Hoole and games between the 2 pubs were often played in a very hostile atmosphere as the teams were often the main challengers for the league title. A genial man I think the late Bill Souter worked for the Council.

Bill did indeed work for the Council. He was a Street Mason.
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