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guardian angel
post Aug 22 2013, 03:14 PM
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No doubt I will be lambasted for my honest opinion but here goes
1. Youngy has done a fantastic job over the last three years and I'm not saying anyone could do it but.
He has had the advantage of being able to attract the better players because of our support., obviously he has to get them to play which he did. But it was like a kid in a sweet shop at times with the numbers of players we signed, many of whom rarely played before being moved on.
Now in the Conference and its a whole new ball game, don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that The Conference is full of big strong players who are organised unlike are own players who get out muscled and out thought
The team is not good enough and if we're not careful we will have a very long season with diminishing support.
If things don't improve after the next 10 games then we need to look elsewhere.
Note this is not a knee jerk reaction to the start to the season but a question of the team and the tactics being adopted i.e. one up front at home against ten men and a part-time team as well.
2. Financially, we have done resonably well so far with losses being reduced and probably eliminated by the sale of Sarc.
The concern I have if the rumor is true that our budget is based on 2400 through the gate then we have a real problem.
If we're doing well with the addtional away support for some games then okay. But there were many games last season when the gate was around 2000 and that's when we are doing well.
We need to control our costs and be realistic in the support we will get this season, then if we get more and have a cup run then the money can go towards making us full-time, cos that's the only way we will get out of this league.
3. Outside Financial support- We have done reasonably well in the commercial side of the club but there is a limit of what we can achieve with a small club in the conference.
We need to look for an investor who can put money into the club because they want the club to do well and not for other reasons.
IMO it is the only way we can ever go full time, I know the Chairman thinks it will be 10 years before we are back, I would suggest by then the novelty will have worn off the gates will drop and we end up in the leagues below.
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QUOTE (guardian angel @ Aug 22 2013, 04:14 PM) *
..... this is not a knee jerk reaction to the start to the season but ....

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post Aug 22 2013, 04:05 PM
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No rush here for us to go f/t.
If we yo-yo with 1500 loyal fan's then that'll do me.Not being defeatist just realistic.We're just starting to find out how hard it is to be pt in this league.Staff and vol's may not get everything right but without them what would we have?
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post Aug 22 2013, 04:06 PM
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Good grief, just about sums most of the posters on here up. Unbelievable!!


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post Aug 22 2013, 04:16 PM
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Good grief, just about sums most of the posters on here up. Unbelievable!!

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post Aug 22 2013, 04:23 PM
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1. So you would give the guy who has won us three consecutive titles only 1/3rd of a season before you sacked him? That's a knee-jerk reaction, however you cut it.

2. Of course we need to control costs, if you forgive me for saying, that's stating the obvious!
No-one expects us to get promoted while still part time. We need to consolidate before moving to full time.
Using a cup run to fund us going full time? That's just confusing capital and revenue and doesn't make sense.

3. The club already seeks and welcomes investors - through sponsorship. We've had enough of sugar-daddies if that's what you imply. The days of sugar daddies screwing our club are very much over.

There really is no need for people to raise it to DEFCON IV and have their fingers over the button! I know I'm classed as a 'happy-clapper', but it really isn't time to panic. The business model is sound, the manager is sound, the team are playing sh1te! It happens.



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post Aug 22 2013, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE (Midnight Rider @ Aug 22 2013, 05:23 PM) *
1. So you would give the guy who has won us three consecutive titles only 1/3rd of a season before you sacked him? That's a knee-jerk reaction, however you cut it.

2. Of course we need to control costs, if you forgive me for saying, that's stating the obvious!
No-one expects us to get promoted while still part time. We need to consolidate before moving to full time.
Using a cup run to fund us going full time? That's just confusing capital and revenue and doesn't make sense.

3. The club already seeks and welcomes investors - through sponsorship. We've had enough of sugar-daddies if that's what you imply. The days of sugar daddies screwing our club are very much over.

There really is no need for people to raise it to DEFCON IV and have their fingers over the button! I know I'm classed as a 'happy-clapper', but it really isn't time to panic. The business model is sound, the manager is sound, the team are playing sh1te! It happens.

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post Aug 22 2013, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE (guardian angel @ Aug 22 2013, 04:14 PM) *
No doubt I will be lambasted for my honest opinion but here goes
1. Youngy has done a fantastic job over the last three years and I'm not saying anyone could do it but.
He has had the advantage of being able to attract the better players because of our support., obviously he has to get them to play which he did. But it was like a kid in a sweet shop at times with the numbers of players we signed, many of whom rarely played before being moved on.
Now in the Conference and its a whole new ball game, don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that The Conference is full of big strong players who are organised unlike are own players who get out muscled and out thought
The team is not good enough and if we're not careful we will have a very long season with diminishing support.
If things don't improve after the next 10 games then we need to look elsewhere.
Note this is not a knee jerk reaction to the start to the season but a question of the team and the tactics being adopted i.e. one up front at home against ten men and a part-time team as well.
2. Financially, we have done resonably well so far with losses being reduced and probably eliminated by the sale of Sarc.
The concern I have if the rumor is true that our budget is based on 2400 through the gate then we have a real problem.
If we're doing well with the addtional away support for some games then okay. But there were many games last season when the gate was around 2000 and that's when we are doing well.
We need to control our costs and be realistic in the support we will get this season, then if we get more and have a cup run then the money can go towards making us full-time, cos that's the only way we will get out of this league.
3. Outside Financial support- We have done reasonably well in the commercial side of the club but there is a limit of what we can achieve with a small club in the conference.
We need to look for an investor who can put money into the club because they want the club to do well and not for other reasons.
IMO it is the only way we can ever go full time, I know the Chairman thinks it will be 10 years before we are back, I would suggest by then the novelty will have worn off the gates will drop and we end up in the leagues below.



1 You are talking b*ll*cks

2 I stopped reading due to the b*ll*cks spoken in point 1

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post Aug 22 2013, 05:19 PM
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To be fair he made some valid points, if you can stop happy clapping for the moment you might see them
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post Aug 22 2013, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE (Buckley Blue @ Aug 22 2013, 06:19 PM) *
To be fair he made some valid points, if you can stop happy clapping for the moment you might see them



Yeah I don't want our manager sacked proper happy clapper me.
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post Aug 22 2013, 05:27 PM
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I said he made SOME valid points, learn to read before you post, it's not hard, honestly
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post Aug 22 2013, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE (Buckley Blue @ Aug 22 2013, 06:27 PM) *
I said he made SOME valid points, learn to read before you post, it's not hard, honestly



I read the post and you didn't point out which valid points is that too hard to understand for you
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post Aug 22 2013, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE (Hugh Jass @ Aug 22 2013, 06:28 PM) *
QUOTE (Buckley Blue @ Aug 22 2013, 06:27 PM) *
I said he made SOME valid points, learn to read before you post, it's not hard, honestly



I read the post and you didn't point out which valid points is that too hard to understand for you


!) 2) and 3) for me take off the rose tinted glasses and before you start coming out with your usual rubbish,you aren't in any way a better supporter than me it's just that some people can see the reality of the situation,whether we like it or not,and whatever you and your like think nobody wants chester to be more succesful than me fifty years of support proves that, thirty of them as a season ticket holder and when certain people on the board of chester NEVER went to Mac I never missed a game in the two years we were there.


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post Aug 22 2013, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE (city1975 @ Aug 22 2013, 06:55 PM) *
QUOTE (Hugh Jass @ Aug 22 2013, 06:28 PM) *
QUOTE (Buckley Blue @ Aug 22 2013, 06:27 PM) *
I said he made SOME valid points, learn to read before you post, it's not hard, honestly



I read the post and you didn't point out which valid points is that too hard to understand for you


!) 2) and 3) for me take off the rose tinted glasses and before you start coming out with your usual rubbish,you aren't in any way a better supporter than me it's just that some people can see the reality of the situation,whether we like it or not,and whatever you and your like think nobody wants chester to be more succesful than me fifty years of support proves that, thirty of them as a season ticket holder and when certain people on the board of chester NEVER went to Mac I never missed a game in the two years we were there.


You say don't come out with my "I am better fan than you rubbish" (which by the way I never have). Yet go on to tell me how much of a better fan than me you are odd little man. I can see the situation clearly cheers but refuse to s**t my knickers in over excitement at the whole thing like some on here. I appreciate what the board have done past and present.
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post Aug 22 2013, 06:10 PM
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1. Utter nonsense.
2. Average gates over the season will be boosted this season by clubs with large away support. N.B, we haven't actually played one of those so far.
3. Go away and and stick you head up your a**e - although it appears to be half-way there already. So who did you have in mind? Vaughan? Smith? Gutterman? Because you see we tried 'outside investors' and look what happened. More than once.


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post Aug 22 2013, 06:10 PM
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Sponsorship yes! Sugardaddy to screw the club over, when he gets fed-up. No!
This is a tough league and the current squad needs strengthening.
To stay up and consolidate would do me fine. Over the next few years, we need to start developing our own players and cherry pick the best players from the lower leagues and eventually, we may be able to go full time, with a team of young professionals, to keep wage costs down.
To do this you need a conveyor belt of players coming through, that is why I would be making formal links, with the likes of Marine/ Vauxhalls/ Witton etc, to give our, good young players experience. So, that when they are required, they are ready.
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post Aug 22 2013, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE (1midfield general @ Aug 22 2013, 07:10 PM) *
Sponsorship yes! Sugardaddy to screw the club over, when he gets fed-up. No!
This is a tough league and the current squad needs strengthening.
To stay up and consolidate would do me fine. Over the next few years, we need to start developing our own players and cherry pick the best players from the lower leagues and eventually, we may be able to go full time, with a team of young professionals, to keep wage costs down.
To do this you need a conveyor belt of players coming through, that is why I would be making formal links, with the likes of Marine/ Vauxhalls/ Witton etc, to give our, good young players experience. So, that when they are required, they are ready.

We are. Tom Peers is on loan at Witton and Sean Miller is at Bootle.
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post Aug 22 2013, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE (captain duff @ Aug 22 2013, 07:10 PM) *
1. Utter nonsense.
2. Average gates over the season will be boosted this season by clubs with large away support. N.B, we haven't actually played one of those so far.
3. Go away and and stick you head up your a**e - although it appears to be half-way there already. So who did you have in mind? Vaughan? Smith? Gutterman? Because you see we tried 'outside investors' and look what happened. More than once.



You shouldn't come on here talking sense.
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post Aug 22 2013, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE (Hugh Jass @ Aug 22 2013, 07:03 PM) *
QUOTE (city1975 @ Aug 22 2013, 06:55 PM) *
QUOTE (Hugh Jass @ Aug 22 2013, 06:28 PM) *
QUOTE (Buckley Blue @ Aug 22 2013, 06:27 PM) *
I said he made SOME valid points, learn to read before you post, it's not hard, honestly



I read the post and you didn't point out which valid points is that too hard to understand for you


!) 2) and 3) for me take off the rose tinted glasses and before you start coming out with your usual rubbish,you aren't in any way a better supporter than me it's just that some people can see the reality of the situation,whether we like it or not,and whatever you and your like think nobody wants chester to be more succesful than me fifty years of support proves that, thirty of them as a season ticket holder and when certain people on the board of chester NEVER went to Mac I never missed a game in the two years we were there.


You say don't come out with my "I am better fan than you rubbish" (which by the way I never have). Yet go on to tell me how much of a better fan than me you are odd little man. I can see the situation clearly cheers but refuse to s**t my knickers in over excitement at the whole thing like some on here. I appreciate what the board have done past and present.

Look its been a rubbish start on the back of three fantastic seasons, NY is one of the most inexperienced managers in this league, with hardly any budget and fickle support, but we have to stick with him all the way, that's how he gains more experience and that's how the team gain more experience. he is Tenacious, eager, and has got an infectious will to win. chop and change and we could become another Luton!, stick with him even if it doesn't work out for us...because we will get stronger and stronger...but it will take time!!
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post Aug 22 2013, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE (guardian angel @ Aug 22 2013, 04:14 PM) *
No doubt I will be lambasted for my honest opinion but here goes
1. Youngy has done a fantastic job over the last three years and I'm not saying anyone could do it but.
He has had the advantage of being able to attract the better players because of our support., obviously he has to get them to play which he did. But it was like a kid in a sweet shop at times with the numbers of players we signed, many of whom rarely played before being moved on.
Now in the Conference and its a whole new ball game, don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that The Conference is full of big strong players who are organised unlike are own players who get out muscled and out thought
The team is not good enough and if we're not careful we will have a very long season with diminishing support.
If things don't improve after the next 10 games then we need to look elsewhere.
Note this is not a knee jerk reaction to the start to the season but a question of the team and the tactics being adopted i.e. one up front at home against ten men and a part-time team as well.
2. Financially, we have done resonably well so far with losses being reduced and probably eliminated by the sale of Sarc.
The concern I have if the rumor is true that our budget is based on 2400 through the gate then we have a real problem.
If we're doing well with the addtional away support for some games then okay. But there were many games last season when the gate was around 2000 and that's when we are doing well.
We need to control our costs and be realistic in the support we will get this season, then if we get more and have a cup run then the money can go towards making us full-time, cos that's the only way we will get out of this league.
3. Outside Financial support- We have done reasonably well in the commercial side of the club but there is a limit of what we can achieve with a small club in the conference.
We need to look for an investor who can put money into the club because they want the club to do well and not for other reasons.
IMO it is the only way we can ever go full time, I know the Chairman thinks it will be 10 years before we are back, I would suggest by then the novelty will have worn off the gates will drop and we end up in the leagues below.

For a moment I thought you were Stephen Vaughan !!!!You must have been waiting 3 years to post this.What a load of b#ll#cks
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Even if we were to be relegated NY should still be the manager next season , we owe him that for what he has achieved .
We need stability and removing your manager will not achieve that.

If we become a yo yo club between Con North & Con for a few seasons then that's fine its where we should be like it or not.

The MOST important thing is not going over budget and risking all we have created so far.

3 games into a season and people start threads like this is just laughable.
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post Aug 22 2013, 06:49 PM
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QUOTE (Sandbach Cestrian @ Aug 22 2013, 07:21 PM) *
Even if we were to be relegated NY should still be the manager next season , we owe him that for what he has achieved .
We need stability and removing your manager will not achieve that.

If we become a yo yo club between Con North & Con for a few seasons then that's fine its where we should be like it or not.

The MOST important thing is not going over budget and risking all we have created so far.

3 games into a season and people start threads like this is just laughable.


absolutely spot on!!
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post Aug 22 2013, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE (Hugh Jass @ Aug 22 2013, 07:03 PM) *
QUOTE (city1975 @ Aug 22 2013, 06:55 PM) *
QUOTE (Hugh Jass @ Aug 22 2013, 06:28 PM) *
QUOTE (Buckley Blue @ Aug 22 2013, 06:27 PM) *
I said he made SOME valid points, learn to read before you post, it's not hard, honestly



I read the post and you didn't point out which valid points is that too hard to understand for you


!) 2) and 3) for me take off the rose tinted glasses and before you start coming out with your usual rubbish,you aren't in any way a better supporter than me it's just that some people can see the reality of the situation,whether we like it or not,and whatever you and your like think nobody wants chester to be more succesful than me fifty years of support proves that, thirty of them as a season ticket holder and when certain people on the board of chester NEVER went to Mac I never missed a game in the two years we were there.


You say don't come out with my "I am better fan than you rubbish" (which by the way I never have). Yet go on to tell me how much of a better fan than me you are odd little man. I can see the situation clearly cheers but refuse to s**t my knickers in over excitement at the whole thing like some on here. I appreciate what the board have done past and present.


You are an obnoxious prick and just a happy clapper or maybe a board member or a mate of one, another one I will just ignore from now on, and you do always imply you are a better supporter,maybe got issues with your weight by your name on here biggrin.gif




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post Aug 22 2013, 06:57 PM
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Agree totally that it is too soon to panic, we could be going to Wrexham with 5 consecutive defeats as the next two games are probably tougher than those played so far.
We are all having to learn in this division, the manager and staff on tactics, the players on what is expected by them playing for a fans own club and last but not least the fans on how to accept defeat and still turn up to support the club. The Chester fans are fickle and that is bourne out of watching Chester since 1965 abd seeing the many ups and downs, a few defeats can and does stop quite a percentage. The away support this season and the few bumper gates that we should see, Luton, Wrexham, Macc, Southport should hopefully boost the average but the playing budget may need to be trimmed during the January transfer window and us all accept that if we are still struggling then financial survival of the club has to be a priority. In 3 seasons at lower level with fantastic support we have only made a profit in one of those seasons. The sale of Sarc has helped with the playing budget for this season but only for this season.
Lets hope we do see an improvement in both results and performances and we can all then hopefully keep the faith in the management group that has helped to get us to the level we are at.
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QUOTE (city1975 @ Aug 22 2013, 07:52 PM) *
QUOTE (Hugh Jass @ Aug 22 2013, 07:03 PM) *
QUOTE (city1975 @ Aug 22 2013, 06:55 PM) *
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QUOTE (Buckley Blue @ Aug 22 2013, 06:27 PM) *
I said he made SOME valid points, learn to read before you post, it's not hard, honestly



I read the post and you didn't point out which valid points is that too hard to understand for you


!) 2) and 3) for me take off the rose tinted glasses and before you start coming out with your usual rubbish,you aren't in any way a better supporter than me it's just that some people can see the reality of the situation,whether we like it or not,and whatever you and your like think nobody wants chester to be more succesful than me fifty years of support proves that, thirty of them as a season ticket holder and when certain people on the board of chester NEVER went to Mac I never missed a game in the two years we were there.


You say don't come out with my "I am better fan than you rubbish" (which by the way I never have). Yet go on to tell me how much of a better fan than me you are odd little man. I can see the situation clearly cheers but refuse to s**t my knickers in over excitement at the whole thing like some on here. I appreciate what the board have done past and present.


You are an obnoxious prick and just a happy clapper or maybe a board member or a mate of one, another one I will just ignore from now on, and you do always imply you are a better supporter,maybe got issues with your weight by your name on here biggrin.gif


This "Happy Clapper" tag has become embarrassingly nauseating. It gets trotted out whenever anyone doesn't decide to join in the lambasting of the fantastic volunteers that spend hour after hour trying to improve things at our Club, whilst the rest of us sit on our arses and whine about it. Change the record lads.

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