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post Mar 21 2017, 03:48 PM
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post Mar 22 2017, 11:39 AM
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post Mar 22 2017, 01:14 PM
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QUOTE (ulster blue boy @ Mar 21 2017, 03:48 PM) *
Ah well.

Disgraceful reporting from the BBC, eulogiesing him all day on their news broadcasts.
The cost of the "Peace Process" was to pardon bombers and murderers, and now we have British troops under threat of prosecution!


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post Mar 22 2017, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE (Neil Fishers Biggest Fan @ Mar 22 2017, 01:14 PM) *
QUOTE (ulster blue boy @ Mar 21 2017, 03:48 PM) *
Ah well.

Disgraceful reporting from the BBC, eulogiesing him all day on their news broadcasts.
The cost of the "Peace Process" was to pardon bombers and murderers, and now we have British troops under threat of prosecution!


The cost of the "Peace Process" is that no longer are we suffering an average of 122 people killed and 3,500 people injured per year as they were between 1969 and 1998 during the Troubles.

Or to put it another way, through the significant shift in position of those like McGuinness and his success in getting the PIRA to put its weapons out of permanent use, thousands of lives have been saved and tens of thousands have avoided injury since 1998, although from your tone I suspect that you actually wish that there was no "Peace Process" at all and that the killings and the war that could never, ever be won was still ongoing...


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post Mar 22 2017, 10:47 PM
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QUOTE (captain duff @ Mar 22 2017, 07:34 PM) *
QUOTE (Neil Fishers Biggest Fan @ Mar 22 2017, 01:14 PM) *
QUOTE (ulster blue boy @ Mar 21 2017, 03:48 PM) *
Ah well.

Disgraceful reporting from the BBC, eulogiesing him all day on their news broadcasts.
The cost of the "Peace Process" was to pardon bombers and murderers, and now we have British troops under threat of prosecution!


The cost of the "Peace Process" is that no longer are we suffering an average of 122 people killed and 3,500 people injured per year as they were between 1969 and 1998 during the Troubles.

Or to put it another way, through the significant shift in position of those like McGuinness and his success in getting the PIRA to put its weapons out of permanent use, thousands of lives have been saved and tens of thousands have avoided injury since 1998, although from your tone I suspect that you actually wish that there was no "Peace Process" at all and that the killings and the war that could never, ever be won was still ongoing...

Of course not! I'm pointing out the heavy price some are paying for the PP, I shall be happy when I know no British soldiers are going to be prosecuted, unfortunately there are some in NI who don't seem to want peace, hence a bombing in NI this morning, luckily there where no casualties.


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QUOTE (captain duff @ Mar 22 2017, 08:34 PM) *
QUOTE (Neil Fishers Biggest Fan @ Mar 22 2017, 01:14 PM) *
QUOTE (ulster blue boy @ Mar 21 2017, 03:48 PM) *
Ah well.

Disgraceful reporting from the BBC, eulogiesing him all day on their news broadcasts.
The cost of the "Peace Process" was to pardon bombers and murderers, and now we have British troops under threat of prosecution!


The cost of the "Peace Process" is that no longer are we suffering an average of 122 people killed and 3,500 people injured per year as they were between 1969 and 1998 during the Troubles.

Or to put it another way, through the significant shift in position of those like McGuinness and his success in getting the PIRA to put its weapons out of permanent use, thousands of lives have been saved and tens of thousands have avoided injury since 1998, although from your tone I suspect that you actually wish that there was no "Peace Process" at all and that the killings and the war that could never, ever be won was still ongoing...



It is wrong to imply that there would have been no peace process without those like McGuinness. The war against the IRA had effectively been won and they were looking for disengagement. On an individual level it is generally supposed that there had been a body of evidence of murders collected against McGuinness sufficient for a conviction and that he took the opportunity of collaboration rather than a long time in jail. He certainly did not experience a conversion from violence. Gerry Adams has in the last few days made it clear that he saw politics as an extension of his career of violence. He never expressed any remorse or opinion that the campaign of murder was in any way wrong.

In hindsight it was an error not to weaken Sinn Fein by excluding the IRA leadership and tilt the balance in favour of the SDLP. Their involvement was down to a Labour party which had too great an affinity with Irish republicanism and a US Democrat administration aware of an Irish-American constituency which, before 9/11, had not experienced first-hand the effects of terrorism.
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