Deva Chat - 18 seasons as the voice of the city
 

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

5 Pages V  « < 3 4 5  
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Conservative pledges 2015
Neil Fishers Big...
post Oct 27 2015, 01:54 PM
Post #101


Club Director
Group Icon

Group: DC Donatees
Posts: 19844
Joined: 27-August 06
From: Penymynydd
Member No.: 2595



QUOTE (3mm @ Oct 27 2015, 08:28 AM) *
QUOTE (3mm @ May 11 2015, 10:56 AM) *
The Conservative Party has a majority in the new Parliament and, in theory, the ability to pass whatever laws it wants.

.......... in theory ...... biggrin.gif

BBC News

History shows the Labour Party has used this tactic before as well.
But as far as Tax Credits is concerned, I disagree with them on this, it is agreed by both parties that the Benefit bill needs cutting, but not on Tax Credits.


--------------------
NEIL FISHER I AM NOT WORTHY
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
3mm
post Jan 4 2016, 09:10 PM
Post #102


Lifelong supporter
Group Icon

Group: DC Admin
Posts: 24959
Joined: 7-February 03
From: Chester
Member No.: 91



So much for the "extra cash for the NHS pledge". Not happening according to our junior doctors... Junior doctor strikes back on as talks fail

Over 75's I know confirm that the "Providing same-day GP appointments for over 75s" is definitely not happening at the moment. Not in Chester, anyway.



Not directly mentioned in the Pledges, but Tory cuts to Flood Defence spending to save millions is costing us billions. You only have to look at the news to see the effect it's having. Austerity gone mad.


--------------------
On match days ... we ALL play!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
shunter blue
post Jan 5 2016, 08:54 AM
Post #103


Reserve skipper
*******

Group: DC Members
Posts: 4730
Joined: 21-May 12
From: Newton
Member No.: 9054



QUOTE (3mm @ Jan 4 2016, 09:10 PM) *
So much for the "extra cash for the NHS pledge". Not happening according to our junior doctors... Junior doctor strikes back on as talks fail

Over 75's I know confirm that the "Providing same-day GP appointments for over 75s" is definitely not happening at the moment. Not in Chester, anyway.



Not directly mentioned in the Pledges, but Tory cuts to Flood Defence spending to save millions is costing us billions. You only have to look at the news to see the effect it's having. Austerity gone mad.



These vile scum that executed 5 (very likely innocent of spying) people over the weekend did say something that resonates with me, viz Cameron is an imbecile.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
3mm
post Feb 22 2016, 08:27 PM
Post #104


Lifelong supporter
Group Icon

Group: DC Admin
Posts: 24959
Joined: 7-February 03
From: Chester
Member No.: 91



Hold a referendum on membership of the EU by 2017

Tick in the box for this one, Thursday, 23rd June 2016 is the date announced.


--------------------
On match days ... we ALL play!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
3mm
post Sep 12 2016, 09:13 PM
Post #105


Lifelong supporter
Group Icon

Group: DC Admin
Posts: 24959
Joined: 7-February 03
From: Chester
Member No.: 91



The rat has now left the sinking ship.

"If I lose the referendum I'll stay on as PM"

"I'm no longer PM but I'll stay on as an MP"

Honesty has dogged him throughout his political career...


--------------------
On match days ... we ALL play!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Lobster
post Sep 12 2016, 09:51 PM
Post #106


Just one fool among the shower
Group Icon

Group: DC Donatees
Posts: 21134
Joined: 26-February 03
From: Wirral
Member No.: 203



Cameron's legacy for me is that he lead us into a referendum having only planned for one of the two outcomes. When he failed to persuade the public to vote the way he wanted it to, he gave up. That's highly irresponsible and, for that reason, I don't think he can ever claim that he had the country's best interests at heart.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Neil Fishers Big...
post Sep 12 2016, 11:35 PM
Post #107


Club Director
Group Icon

Group: DC Donatees
Posts: 19844
Joined: 27-August 06
From: Penymynydd
Member No.: 2595



QUOTE (XWWB @ Sep 12 2016, 10:51 PM) *
Cameron's legacy for me is that he lead us into a referendum having only planned for one of the two outcomes. When he failed to persuade the public to vote the way he wanted it to, he gave up. That's highly irresponsible and, for that reason, I don't think he can ever claim that he had the country's best interests at heart.

The trouble is, that is so easy to blame David Cameron for holding the referendum, there was pressure from both sides for him to hold it, he said he would, and he did.
What still doesn't seem to get through is, that Labour voters voted out as well, and from strong Labour heartlands.
David Cameron realises that as a former "Remainer" it's untenable that he could possibly sit on the back benches he was always going to be a distraction to PM May.
At least our party's leader knows when to go, unlike another party leader who doesn't, even his own MPs don't want him!


--------------------
NEIL FISHER I AM NOT WORTHY
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Lobster
post Sep 13 2016, 06:40 AM
Post #108


Just one fool among the shower
Group Icon

Group: DC Donatees
Posts: 21134
Joined: 26-February 03
From: Wirral
Member No.: 203



QUOTE (Neil Fishers Biggest Fan @ Sep 13 2016, 12:35 AM) *
QUOTE (XWWB @ Sep 12 2016, 10:51 PM) *
Cameron's legacy for me is that he lead us into a referendum having only planned for one of the two outcomes. When he failed to persuade the public to vote the way he wanted it to, he gave up. That's highly irresponsible and, for that reason, I don't think he can ever claim that he had the country's best interests at heart.

The trouble is, that is so easy to blame David Cameron for holding the referendum, there was pressure from both sides for him to hold it, he said he would, and he did.
What still doesn't seem to get through is, that Labour voters voted out as well, and from strong Labour heartlands.
David Cameron realises that as a former "Remainer" it's untenable that he could possibly sit on the back benches he was always going to be a distraction to PM May.
At least our party's leader knows when to go, unlike another party leader who doesn't, even his own MPs don't want him!


But his members do, isn't that more important, and shouldn't the MPs be listening to them rather than rocking the boat?

My argument wasn't about which party wanted what, or who voted to stay or go, but simply that if you introduce a referendum, the responsible thing to do is to have a plan in place for either outcome. He didn't do that.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
captain duff
post Sep 13 2016, 08:39 AM
Post #109


Reserve skipper
*******

Group: DC Members
Posts: 2025
Joined: 9-July 10
From: Exiled to Preston, Lancs.
Member No.: 5529



QUOTE (3mm @ Sep 12 2016, 10:13 PM) *
The rat has now left the sinking ship.

"If I lose the referendum I'll stay on as PM"

"I'm no longer PM but I'll stay on as an MP"

Honesty has dogged him throughout his political career...



Although in fairness it is far better to do that than what Gordon Brown did when he spent 5 years after losing the 2010 election and carrying on as an MP but hardly ever bothering to turn up in parliament to do the job he was still being paid very well for.


--------------------
"The socialism I believe in is everyone working for each other, everyone having a share of the rewards. It's the way I see football, the way I see life"
Bill Shankly
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Mancot Blue
post Sep 13 2016, 08:52 AM
Post #110


...
Group Icon

Group: DC Donatees
Posts: 36149
Joined: 19-February 03
Member No.: 173



Agree with XWWB. Downing Street had absolutely NO plan for a Leave vote and the likes of May have been left to deal with it all. Even now, almost three months later, there is still no plan in place other than this ridiculous "Brexit means Brexit" slogan. "Yeah, but what does that mean?" "Just... Brexit." Nobody has a plan and that is absolutely criminal. May has three key Leave campaigners in positions of authority in this and the party still can't confirm exactly what they are going to do.

As for JC, his party members want to keep him - his mandate is enormous - therefore his MPs should suck it up and get on with it.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Neil Fishers Big...
post Sep 13 2016, 12:07 PM
Post #111


Club Director
Group Icon

Group: DC Donatees
Posts: 19844
Joined: 27-August 06
From: Penymynydd
Member No.: 2595



QUOTE (XWWB @ Sep 13 2016, 07:40 AM) *
QUOTE (Neil Fishers Biggest Fan @ Sep 13 2016, 12:35 AM) *
QUOTE (XWWB @ Sep 12 2016, 10:51 PM) *
Cameron's legacy for me is that he lead us into a referendum having only planned for one of the two outcomes. When he failed to persuade the public to vote the way he wanted it to, he gave up. That's highly irresponsible and, for that reason, I don't think he can ever claim that he had the country's best interests at heart.

The trouble is, that is so easy to blame David Cameron for holding the referendum, there was pressure from both sides for him to hold it, he said he would, and he did.
What still doesn't seem to get through is, that Labour voters voted out as well, and from strong Labour heartlands.
David Cameron realises that as a former "Remainer" it's untenable that he could possibly sit on the back benches he was always going to be a distraction to PM May.
At least our party's leader knows when to go, unlike another party leader who doesn't, even his own MPs don't want him!


But his members do, isn't that more important, and shouldn't the MPs be listening to them rather than rocking the boat?

My argument wasn't about which party wanted what, or who voted to stay or go, but simply that if you introduce a referendum, the responsible thing to do is to have a plan in place for either outcome. He didn't do that.

I'm afraid it's the old story, the polls, even after the ballot boxes were closed, the "remainders" were convinced that they had won. It was a classic, the politicians of both sides misread the mood of the country, and didn't listen to the people on the doorstep, and that's what cost the Brexit.
As far as opinion polls are concerned, it's saying that Labour are miles behind in the polls, perhaps they have got that wrong to? rolleyes.gif


--------------------
NEIL FISHER I AM NOT WORTHY
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Lobster
post Sep 14 2016, 11:21 AM
Post #112


Just one fool among the shower
Group Icon

Group: DC Donatees
Posts: 21134
Joined: 26-February 03
From: Wirral
Member No.: 203



QUOTE (Neil Fishers Biggest Fan @ Sep 13 2016, 01:07 PM) *
QUOTE (XWWB @ Sep 13 2016, 07:40 AM) *
QUOTE (Neil Fishers Biggest Fan @ Sep 13 2016, 12:35 AM) *
QUOTE (XWWB @ Sep 12 2016, 10:51 PM) *
Cameron's legacy for me is that he lead us into a referendum having only planned for one of the two outcomes. When he failed to persuade the public to vote the way he wanted it to, he gave up. That's highly irresponsible and, for that reason, I don't think he can ever claim that he had the country's best interests at heart.

The trouble is, that is so easy to blame David Cameron for holding the referendum, there was pressure from both sides for him to hold it, he said he would, and he did.
What still doesn't seem to get through is, that Labour voters voted out as well, and from strong Labour heartlands.
David Cameron realises that as a former "Remainer" it's untenable that he could possibly sit on the back benches he was always going to be a distraction to PM May.
At least our party's leader knows when to go, unlike another party leader who doesn't, even his own MPs don't want him!


But his members do, isn't that more important, and shouldn't the MPs be listening to them rather than rocking the boat?

My argument wasn't about which party wanted what, or who voted to stay or go, but simply that if you introduce a referendum, the responsible thing to do is to have a plan in place for either outcome. He didn't do that.

I'm afraid it's the old story, the polls, even after the ballot boxes were closed, the "remainders" were convinced that they had won. It was a classic, the politicians of both sides misread the mood of the country, and didn't listen to the people on the doorstep, and that's what cost the Brexit.
As far as opinion polls are concerned, it's saying that Labour are miles behind in the polls, perhaps they have got that wrong to? rolleyes.gif


I think you're still ignoring my point, Chris. This isn't a Leave/Remain argument about who misjudged what, who didn't listen to who, etc, it's an argument about how to responsibly hold a referendum. Let's put aside the fact that you think we were right to leave and I thought we should've remained, as we've gone over this many times and we're not going to change each other's minds!

The point I'm making is that Cameron should not have given the public the opportunity to vote on something without having plans in place for BOTH outcomes. To do that and then leave when it didn't turn out the way he wanted it to is weak and selfish leadership in my view.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Neil Fishers Big...
post Sep 14 2016, 09:44 PM
Post #113


Club Director
Group Icon

Group: DC Donatees
Posts: 19844
Joined: 27-August 06
From: Penymynydd
Member No.: 2595



QUOTE (XWWB @ Sep 14 2016, 12:21 PM) *
QUOTE (Neil Fishers Biggest Fan @ Sep 13 2016, 01:07 PM) *
QUOTE (XWWB @ Sep 13 2016, 07:40 AM) *
QUOTE (Neil Fishers Biggest Fan @ Sep 13 2016, 12:35 AM) *
QUOTE (XWWB @ Sep 12 2016, 10:51 PM) *
Cameron's legacy for me is that he lead us into a referendum having only planned for one of the two outcomes. When he failed to persuade the public to vote the way he wanted it to, he gave up. That's highly irresponsible and, for that reason, I don't think he can ever claim that he had the country's best interests at heart.

The trouble is, that is so easy to blame David Cameron for holding the referendum, there was pressure from both sides for him to hold it, he said he would, and he did.
What still doesn't seem to get through is, that Labour voters voted out as well, and from strong Labour heartlands.
David Cameron realises that as a former "Remainer" it's untenable that he could possibly sit on the back benches he was always going to be a distraction to PM May.
At least our party's leader knows when to go, unlike another party leader who doesn't, even his own MPs don't want him!


But his members do, isn't that more important, and shouldn't the MPs be listening to them rather than rocking the boat?

My argument wasn't about which party wanted what, or who voted to stay or go, but simply that if you introduce a referendum, the responsible thing to do is to have a plan in place for either outcome. He didn't do that.

I'm afraid it's the old story, the polls, even after the ballot boxes were closed, the "remainders" were convinced that they had won. It was a classic, the politicians of both sides misread the mood of the country, and didn't listen to the people on the doorstep, and that's what cost the Brexit.
As far as opinion polls are concerned, it's saying that Labour are miles behind in the polls, perhaps they have got that wrong to? rolleyes.gif


I think you're still ignoring my point, Chris. This isn't a Leave/Remain argument about who misjudged what, who didn't listen to who, etc, it's an argument about how to responsibly hold a referendum. Let's put aside the fact that you think we were right to leave and I thought we should've remained, as we've gone over this many times and we're not going to change each other's minds!

The point I'm making is that Cameron should not have given the public the opportunity to vote on something without having plans in place for BOTH outcomes. To do that and then leave when it didn't turn out the way he wanted it to is weak and selfish leadership in my view.

I understand exactly what you are saying, I was trying to explain my opinion in why people voted out. But I do take your final point, I think basically he never thought the vote would go against him!
I think he just wouldn't plan for Brexit because he genuinely didn't think it would happen!
The best thing to come out of this is, that the UK people spoke, because they were literally ignored by both parties about their concerns, I think it will be a brave government who holds another referendum!


--------------------
NEIL FISHER I AM NOT WORTHY
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
open yer eyes ma...
post Sep 15 2016, 08:30 AM
Post #114


Devachat Fantasy Football Champion 09/10
********

Group: DC Members
Posts: 6874
Joined: 15-March 04
From: A town called Malice
Member No.: 850



QUOTE (Neil Fishers Biggest Fan @ Sep 14 2016, 10:44 PM) *
QUOTE (XWWB @ Sep 14 2016, 12:21 PM) *
QUOTE (Neil Fishers Biggest Fan @ Sep 13 2016, 01:07 PM) *
QUOTE (XWWB @ Sep 13 2016, 07:40 AM) *
QUOTE (Neil Fishers Biggest Fan @ Sep 13 2016, 12:35 AM) *
QUOTE (XWWB @ Sep 12 2016, 10:51 PM) *
Cameron's legacy for me is that he lead us into a referendum having only planned for one of the two outcomes. When he failed to persuade the public to vote the way he wanted it to, he gave up. That's highly irresponsible and, for that reason, I don't think he can ever claim that he had the country's best interests at heart.

The trouble is, that is so easy to blame David Cameron for holding the referendum, there was pressure from both sides for him to hold it, he said he would, and he did.
What still doesn't seem to get through is, that Labour voters voted out as well, and from strong Labour heartlands.
David Cameron realises that as a former "Remainer" it's untenable that he could possibly sit on the back benches he was always going to be a distraction to PM May.
At least our party's leader knows when to go, unlike another party leader who doesn't, even his own MPs don't want him!


But his members do, isn't that more important, and shouldn't the MPs be listening to them rather than rocking the boat?

My argument wasn't about which party wanted what, or who voted to stay or go, but simply that if you introduce a referendum, the responsible thing to do is to have a plan in place for either outcome. He didn't do that.

I'm afraid it's the old story, the polls, even after the ballot boxes were closed, the "remainders" were convinced that they had won. It was a classic, the politicians of both sides misread the mood of the country, and didn't listen to the people on the doorstep, and that's what cost the Brexit.
As far as opinion polls are concerned, it's saying that Labour are miles behind in the polls, perhaps they have got that wrong to? rolleyes.gif


I think you're still ignoring my point, Chris. This isn't a Leave/Remain argument about who misjudged what, who didn't listen to who, etc, it's an argument about how to responsibly hold a referendum. Let's put aside the fact that you think we were right to leave and I thought we should've remained, as we've gone over this many times and we're not going to change each other's minds!

The point I'm making is that Cameron should not have given the public the opportunity to vote on something without having plans in place for BOTH outcomes. To do that and then leave when it didn't turn out the way he wanted it to is weak and selfish leadership in my view.

I understand exactly what you are saying, I was trying to explain my opinion in why people voted out. But I do take your final point, I think basically he never thought the vote would go against him!
I think he just wouldn't plan for Brexit because he genuinely didn't think it would happen!
The best thing to come out of this is, that the UK people spoke, because they were literally ignored by both parties about their concerns, I think it will be a brave government who holds another referendum!

Cameron held the referendum because he was absolutely convinced the country would vote remain, the mess that this will leave behind may not be felt for quite a while, but democracy was offered and the country spoke.
I know a lot of people hold the view that we should let elected governments decide these sort of things and I see their point too.

But if we are in the mood for referendums and we really do live in a democracy, then lets have a referendum on whether we keep Trident or not,.


--------------------
Down on their knees
Begging us please
Praying that we don't exist

We exist
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
3mm
post Aug 8 2017, 02:13 PM
Post #115


Lifelong supporter
Group Icon

Group: DC Admin
Posts: 24959
Joined: 7-February 03
From: Chester
Member No.: 91



Worth resurrecting this so we can all keep an eye on which ones the cons are failing on.

I still fear for the NHS. Why do the cons still want all our hospitals to sell off their assets?

How can any con voters can support this policy is absolutely beyond me.


--------------------
On match days ... we ALL play!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
3mm
post Jan 6 2018, 11:21 AM
Post #116


Lifelong supporter
Group Icon

Group: DC Admin
Posts: 24959
Joined: 7-February 03
From: Chester
Member No.: 91



As well as the NHS, the police are failing due to the cuts made by the tories too...

London stabbings


--------------------
On match days ... we ALL play!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
3mm
post Jan 8 2018, 12:31 PM
Post #117


Lifelong supporter
Group Icon

Group: DC Admin
Posts: 24959
Joined: 7-February 03
From: Chester
Member No.: 91



Giving Parliament a free vote on repeal of the Hunting Act


Another one bites the dust. Hooray Henry's everywhere will be so disappointed.


--------------------
On match days ... we ALL play!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
3mm
post Jan 18 2018, 08:04 AM
Post #118


Lifelong supporter
Group Icon

Group: DC Admin
Posts: 24959
Joined: 7-February 03
From: Chester
Member No.: 91



Conservatives dreaming of a better future... wink.gif


--------------------
On match days ... we ALL play!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

5 Pages V  « < 3 4 5
Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 



RSS Protected by SBST and Project Honeypot Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 22nd January 2018 - 12:05 AM