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post Aug 3 2011, 10:08 AM
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ground and colliers sold to Glyndwr Uni .
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post Aug 3 2011, 10:10 AM
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Will be interesting to see what the conference make of this, im sure they will want to see the lease agreement (if there is one!!)


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post Aug 3 2011, 10:10 AM
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is that a good thing or a bad thing for the goats ?
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post Aug 3 2011, 10:15 AM
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is that a good thing or a bad thing for the goats ?


I think its a good thing short term as they will now be able to pay the wages. However, long term you have to question why the university want a football ground. It doesn't really fit into what they do, and anybody who thinks that a university isnt a business and thus worried about profits etc will get a rude awakening!


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post Aug 3 2011, 10:43 AM
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I agree, short term its good news for the goats... long term though, if the scum can't stop making huge losses then they won't be able to afford rental and that will come back to bite a huge chunk out of the a**e of the Uni.

The goats better decide if they want to struggle in the league in order to become more financially secure (viscous circle as ultimately it means less fans = less money = struggle even more) , or if they want to go for broke, run up even more debt and then go bust...

Still interested to see what comes of the Crusaders debt secured on the ground....


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post Aug 3 2011, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE (The Colonel @ Aug 3 2011, 11:08 AM) *
ground and colliers sold to Glyndwr Uni .

From the BBC

So that's where the students £9000 a year is going...


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post Aug 3 2011, 10:47 AM
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Ha ha ha. Silly goats have just been asset stripped and they are all celebrating unsure.gif
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post Aug 3 2011, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE (Jonesy Blue @ Aug 3 2011, 10:47 AM) *
Ha ha ha. Silly goats have just been asset stripped and they are all celebrating unsure.gif


But the WST has £1M. There'll be loads left when they've paid off the Rugby League for the failure of the Crusaders, got £500k from that reliable bloke Moss and got all the money from the 1800 season tickets they've already sold. rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 3 2011, 11:04 AM
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So now, the attention turns to the sale of Wrexham FC - now that the ground is in the hands of the Uni.

Wrexham FC were extremely fortunate that a Uni exists right next to the ground.

Moss will now decide on whether to sell to the WST or not.

Lease deal will potentially be £100k+ a year, similar to what FCUM have had to find each year, so that has to be tagged on to the £600k-£1m annual wages, so a lot of fundraising will need to be done to raise that kind of money.

Will Moss decide to give the WST £500k to clear the debts though, that is a HUGE question, or will be revoke that prinicipal agreement and leave WST having to clear the debts but with no money to push on with?

Critical time for the Goats still.

Can't help thinking that they've fallen on their feet with the Uni though, they've bailed them out here - the fans would not have been able to save the club had it not been for the Uni - who many on RP are already slating (beggars belief).



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post Aug 3 2011, 11:58 AM
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The Uni must believe that the football club will fail sometime in the relatively near future. The land will then be theirs to expand onto - or is that too obvious?
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post Aug 3 2011, 12:14 PM
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How can a uni suddenly find that much money, and waste it on buying a football ground? Quite bizarre!
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post Aug 3 2011, 12:24 PM
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It doesn't say how much the uni have paid for the deal? It makes sense for them to expand the uni. As with most of the big uni's in this area I know they have big plans and ideally would like to be the biggest in N/Wales, if they aren't already. But at the same time it's probably not in the uni's best interests to destroy the local football team which has a fairly decent fanbase within the town.


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post Aug 3 2011, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE (Rob @ Aug 3 2011, 01:14 PM) *
How can a uni suddenly find that much money, and waste it on buying a football ground? Quite bizarre!


Exactly my thoughts, this deal was worth over £1m wasn't it? How can they afford to spend that muchon two seperate sites that will be used my a minority of their students??
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QUOTE (John CFC @ Aug 3 2011, 01:26 PM) *
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How can a uni suddenly find that much money, and waste it on buying a football ground? Quite bizarre!


Exactly my thoughts, this deal was worth over £1m wasn't it? How can they afford to spend that muchon two seperate sites that will be used my a minority of their students??


At least until they build a nice and shiny student village.


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post Aug 3 2011, 12:55 PM
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Wouldn't surprise me if the Uni build the goats a new ground at the training ground and then redevelop the Goatcourse!


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post Aug 3 2011, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE (Ben @ Aug 3 2011, 01:55 PM) *
Wouldn't surprise me if the Uni build the goats a new ground at the training ground and then redevelop the Goatcourse!



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post Aug 3 2011, 01:48 PM
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QUOTE (Jimianto @ Aug 3 2011, 02:38 PM) *
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Wouldn't surprise me if the Uni build the goats a new ground at the training ground and then redevelop the Goatcourse!



Nail on head!

Just throw up a couple of "bike sheds" behind each goal. That should be good enough for welsh league football


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post Aug 3 2011, 01:49 PM
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It's a win/win situation for the uni,

If the goats fail they've got a nice piece of land to develop

If they manage to stay afloat they can charge rent for years to come and are on to a nice little earner
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post Aug 3 2011, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE (Boghead @ Aug 3 2011, 02:48 PM) *
QUOTE (Jimianto @ Aug 3 2011, 02:38 PM) *
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Wouldn't surprise me if the Uni build the goats a new ground at the training ground and then redevelop the Goatcourse!



Nail on head!

Would they need to redevelop it for welsh league football?


Another possibility is they keep the race course as it is but redevelop it into a multi purpose stadium for all the university sports teams. Keep the main stand but knock the others down to make space for an athletics track and put some much smaller stands in further from the pitch. It would be quite a feather in the cap of any university to have it own multi purpose stadium on campus but obviously the racecourse would need to be totally redeveloped for that.
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post Aug 3 2011, 02:02 PM
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Good news. There is no need for anyone to think about helping Wrexham FC in future.

Wrexham Supporters Trust promise wages will never be late again


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post Aug 3 2011, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE (TomCCFC87 @ Aug 3 2011, 02:56 PM) *
QUOTE (Boghead @ Aug 3 2011, 02:48 PM) *
QUOTE (Jimianto @ Aug 3 2011, 02:38 PM) *
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Wouldn't surprise me if the Uni build the goats a new ground at the training ground and then redevelop the Goatcourse!



Nail on head!

Would they need to redevelop it for welsh league football?


Another possibility is they keep the race course as it is but redevelop it into a multi purpose stadium for all the university sports teams. Keep the main stand but knock the others down to make space for an athletics track and put some much smaller stands in further from the pitch. It would be quite a feather in the cap of any university to have it own multi purpose stadium on campus but obviously the racecourse would need to be totally redeveloped for that.



I doubt there would be sufficient funds in the Glyndwr coffers and that sort of funding would just not be available in the form of grants etc. in the present economic climate. Would they risk a loan? Doubtful.

Looking on Dead Passion most posters are delirious at the news, but a few realists know the score. Overall the Uni does NOT have the Goats best interests at heart. This is a business deal, which will work out well for the expanding university complex. They compromise and sell/rent Colliers Park to the football club. All they would need is a 4000 capacity stadium for the level that the club will drop to by this time. So it's win/win, as the uni get to build on the Goatcourse.
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QUOTE (3mm @ Aug 3 2011, 11:46 AM) *
QUOTE (The Colonel @ Aug 3 2011, 11:08 AM) *
ground and colliers sold to Glyndwr Uni .

From the BBC

So that's where the students £9000 a year is going...



How on earth can a non-league club employ 115 staff!!! (unless the BBC report is wrong)

If you allow for 20 players & 5 management staff (coaches,physios etc) that is still 90 'back office' staff. Even allowing for 20-30 of these to operate the HUGE floodlights, it still seems an awful lot!!!!

If the Trust ever do tie up a deal to buy the club, one of their 1st actions will be giving out 60-70 P45s!!
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post Aug 3 2011, 04:30 PM
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Possibly the figure includes stewards and "match day only" staff.... (kiosk/catering/bar etc)?


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post Aug 3 2011, 07:58 PM
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Er, think someone needs to remind the goats about tomorrow. Pretty sure the BSP won't give a hoot about the ground being asset stripped from under 'em

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I guess Universities have changed since my days there!!


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