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post Nov 10 2010, 08:34 PM
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And all our other brave Troops who have and still keep us free and safe bowdown.gif

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I dont know if this has been posted already so sorry if it has but they have an home coming parade in the morning so i hope people will attend if they can and support the lads.
http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/chester-...59067-27628085/

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post Nov 11 2010, 10:23 PM
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QUOTE (blue thunder @ Nov 10 2010, 11:27 PM) *
I dont know if this has been posted already so sorry if it has but they have an home coming parade in the morning so i hope people will attend if they can and support the lads.
http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/chester-...59067-27628085/


I went to the Parade It was very moving, particularly when young men in wheel chairs with limbs missing went past as part of the Parade.

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post Nov 11 2010, 11:02 PM
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Didn't know about the march but respect to all of them bowdown.gif

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post Nov 12 2010, 09:21 AM
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Well yes, they are. But the problem is as any terrorism analyst will tell you (or even the head of MI5 come to that) is that by being in Iraq and now Afghanistan they are actually making this country less safe and putting all of us at far more risk (so, tragically they are not actually defending us at all). Not their fault of course, they just follow political orders (even illegal ones in the case of Iraq), but it strikes me that more now than ever given the terrible human cost and damaged lives that are coming out of this conflict is that the best support we can give service personel right now is not hero worship but an intensification of the campaign to end the pointless involvement in an unwinnable war and get them all home for good. They can't do that themselves, but others can and it would in my view be the best way of giving them genuine and lasting help...


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post Nov 12 2010, 09:50 AM
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QUOTE (captain duff @ Nov 12 2010, 09:21 AM) *
Well yes, they are. But the problem is as any terrorism analyst will tell you (or even the head of MI5 come to that) is that by being in Iraq and now Afghanistan they are actually making this country less safe and putting all of us at far more risk (so, tragically they are not actually defending us at all). Not their fault of course, they just follow political orders (even illegal ones in the case of Iraq), but it strikes me that more now than ever given the terrible human cost and damaged lives that are coming out of this conflict is that the best support we can give service personel right now is not hero worship but an intensification of the campaign to end the pointless involvement in an unwinnable war and get them all home for good. They can't do that themselves, but others can and it would in my view be the best way of giving them genuine and lasting help...


I detest people like you who have to make political statements, when all the post was about was the brave young lads who had gone to fight on our behalf, the lads in wheelchairs don't want to hear your stomach churning bile, they have to live with their disabilities and they want to think that there sacrifice wasn't in vain.
It is so easy to sit behind your keyboard and post pathetic messages, good job you weren’t around in 40's Hitler would have been just misunderstood Pacifism never ever works.
By the way it has never ever been proved that IRAQ was an illegal war, just rubbish spouted by left wing idiots from the BBC.

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QUOTE (captain duff @ Nov 12 2010, 10:21 AM) *
Well yes, they are. But the problem is as any terrorism analyst will tell you (or even the head of MI5 come to that) is that by being in Iraq and now Afghanistan they are actually making this country less safe and putting all of us at far more risk (so, tragically they are not actually defending us at all). Not their fault of course, they just follow political orders (even illegal ones in the case of Iraq), but it strikes me that more now than ever given the terrible human cost and damaged lives that are coming out of this conflict is that the best support we can give service personel right now is not hero worship but an intensification of the campaign to end the pointless involvement in an unwinnable war and get them all home for good. They can't do that themselves, but others can and it would in my view be the best way of giving them genuine and lasting help...


The argument is rather missing the point in that the brave lads didn't decide to go into Iraq or Afghan, the politicians did as you say. However when that decision is made the lads and lasses then go and do a very brave job in dangerous circumstances and it is that fact that we should be thankful for and salute their bravery and the bravery of the young lads and lasses who continue to join knowing what is being asked of them. I speak as a former soldier and the father of a lad who joined up 14 months ago and am extremely proud that we can rely on a generation that is often maligned. I am proud of them all not just my son.
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My brother in law has just returned from his tour of Afghanistan and will be attending his first Chester game tomorrow.


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QUOTE (Please Be Stoic @ Nov 12 2010, 10:23 AM) *
The argument is rather missing the point in that the brave lads didn't decide to go into Iraq or Afghan, the politicians did as you say. However when that decision is made the lads and lasses then go and do a very brave job in dangerous circumstances and it is that fact that we should be thankful for and salute their bravery and the bravery of the young lads and lasses who continue to join knowing what is being asked of them. I speak as a former soldier and the father of a lad who joined up 14 months ago and am extremely proud that we can rely on a generation that is often maligned. I am proud of them all not just my son.

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post Nov 12 2010, 11:27 AM
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QUOTE (Please Be Stoic @ Nov 12 2010, 10:23 AM) *
[The argument is rather missing the point in that the brave lads didn't decide to go into Iraq or Afghan, the politicians did as you say. However when that decision is made the lads and lasses then go and do a very brave job in dangerous circumstances and it is that fact that we should be thankful for and salute their bravery and the bravery of the young lads and lasses who continue to join knowing what is being asked of them. I speak as a former soldier and the father of a lad who joined up 14 months ago and am extremely proud that we can rely on a generation that is often maligned. I am proud of them all not just my son.



But why is it missing the point? Yes, we can be proud that young men and women are following orders and suffering a terrible price for doing so. But the original post stated that this is keeping us safe. The terrible irony here is that it isn't - it increases the risks of domestic terroist attacks (which was even stated my the former head of MI5 recently). And when large numbers of respected military analysts also state that the war they are currently fighting is unwinnable, then what, precisely is the point? What are they actually dying for, and how long are we willing to let it continue?

A lot of my own family have fought (and some have died) in the services. And, for the record, I am no pacifist. But the fact is that service personel cannot protest about what they are being forced to do. The only people that can is us. And, if what they are doing raises the risks of domestic terrorism, is a conflict that they cannot win, then what is the best support we can give them? Ignore the madness and let the slaughter and wheelchairs multiply for years on end? Or say enough is enough?

My point is that the best way to support British troops is to get them home for this disasterous conflict. Surely that is not too hard to undersrtand? Besides, actually I think it is unthinking hero worship that is easy - campaigning for an end to a pointless war actually takes a bit more effort, and is something that I suspect a fair number of troops actually agree with...


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QUOTE (Casual @ Nov 10 2010, 08:34 PM) *
And all our other brave Troops who have and still keep us free and safe bowdown.gif

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QUOTE (captain duff @ Nov 12 2010, 11:27 AM) *
My point is that the best way to support British troops is to get them home for this disasterous conflict. Surely that is not too hard to undersrtand? Besides, actually I think it is unthinking hero worship that is easy - campaigning for an end to a pointless war actually takes a bit more effort, and is something that I suspect a fair number of troops actually agree with...


Which is a good point, and is well put. It is just in the wrong thread.

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post Nov 12 2010, 01:04 PM
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The way i see it supporting our troops is much like supporting the last few years of Chester City FC. You get behind the lads on the front line even if you dont support the people at the very top making all the decisions.
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QUOTE (captain duff @ Nov 12 2010, 09:21 AM) *
Well yes, they are. But the problem is as any terrorism analyst will tell you (or even the head of MI5 come to that) is that by being in Iraq and now Afghanistan they are actually making this country less safe and putting all of us at far more risk (so, tragically they are not actually defending us at all). Not their fault of course, they just follow political orders (even illegal ones in the case of Iraq), but it strikes me that more now than ever given the terrible human cost and damaged lives that are coming out of this conflict is that the best support we can give service personel right now is not hero worship but an intensification of the campaign to end the pointless involvement in an unwinnable war and get them all home for good. They can't do that themselves, but others can and it would in my view be the best way of giving them genuine and lasting help...


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QUOTE (angel of the north @ Nov 12 2010, 03:43 PM) *
QUOTE (captain duff @ Nov 12 2010, 09:21 AM) *
Well yes, they are. But the problem is as any terrorism analyst will tell you (or even the head of MI5 come to that) is that by being in Iraq and now Afghanistan they are actually making this country less safe and putting all of us at far more risk (so, tragically they are not actually defending us at all). Not their fault of course, they just follow political orders (even illegal ones in the case of Iraq), but it strikes me that more now than ever given the terrible human cost and damaged lives that are coming out of this conflict is that the best support we can give service personel right now is not hero worship but an intensification of the campaign to end the pointless involvement in an unwinnable war and get them all home for good. They can't do that themselves, but others can and it would in my view be the best way of giving them genuine and lasting help...


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As you have high jacked this thread, which was meant to be a tribute to not just ours lads of the Mercian an Welsh Fusiliers, but all OUR brave soldiers, I will respond.

If the Taliban achieve their ultimate aim, which is infiltrating Pakistan security, they will turn Pakistan's nuclear weapons on us -THE WEST. Just like Iran WILL do to Israel. Iran will be invaded, just as Iraq was.


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Words fail me a chance to welcome our local lads back home and you always get one dont you rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE (captain duff @ Nov 12 2010, 12:27 PM) *
QUOTE (Please Be Stoic @ Nov 12 2010, 10:23 AM) *
[The argument is rather missing the point in that the brave lads didn't decide to go into Iraq or Afghan, the politicians did as you say. However when that decision is made the lads and lasses then go and do a very brave job in dangerous circumstances and it is that fact that we should be thankful for and salute their bravery and the bravery of the young lads and lasses who continue to join knowing what is being asked of them. I speak as a former soldier and the father of a lad who joined up 14 months ago and am extremely proud that we can rely on a generation that is often maligned. I am proud of them all not just my son.



But why is it missing the point? Yes, we can be proud that young men and women are following orders and suffering a terrible price for doing so. But the original post stated that this is keeping us safe. The terrible irony here is that it isn't - it increases the risks of domestic terroist attacks (which was even stated my the former head of MI5 recently). And when large numbers of respected military analysts also state that the war they are currently fighting is unwinnable, then what, precisely is the point? What are they actually dying for, and how long are we willing to let it continue?

A lot of my own family have fought (and some have died) in the services. And, for the record, I am no pacifist. But the fact is that service personel cannot protest about what they are being forced to do. The only people that can is us. And, if what they are doing raises the risks of domestic terrorism, is a conflict that they cannot win, then what is the best support we can give them? Ignore the madness and let the slaughter and wheelchairs multiply for years on end? Or say enough is enough?

My point is that the best way to support British troops is to get them home for this disasterous conflict. Surely that is not too hard to undersrtand? Besides, actually I think it is unthinking hero worship that is easy - campaigning for an end to a pointless war actually takes a bit more effort, and is something that I suspect a fair number of troops actually agree with...


Your arguement is a political one, and is inappropriate in a thread that was started as a simple plea to pay tribute to these brave men and women. Shame on you.


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Top credit & huge respect to our brave fighting soldiers who are involved in keeping our freedom alive. bowdown.gif englandsign.gif
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Meh. The thread is in the wrong folder, this is for football discussions not political or jingoistic dick waving.

http://www.devachat.com/index.php?showforum=11

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QUOTE (Harry Blaen @ Nov 13 2010, 01:46 PM) *
Meh. The thread is in the wrong folder, this is for football discussions not political or jingoistic dick waving.

http://www.devachat.com/index.php?showforum=11


Yes I can see you waving from the safety of you're computer screen, people like you should be tarred and feathered!

Again - Thank you lads for keeping us free and allowing DICKS in this country the freedom say what they like!

Great to see the reception all OUR brave soldiers got outside the Cathedral and through out the City center.


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Way to miss the point.

This is in the wrong folder, it has got SFA to do with CFC and it is sufficient for most people to show support by wearing a poppy. I am always very suspicious of people like you who go out of their way to rally to the flag in times of conflict. Blind nationalism is such a good cover-up for any number of other personal and character flaws.

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QUOTE (Harry Blaen @ Nov 13 2010, 03:44 PM) *
Way to miss the point.

This is in the wrong folder, it has got SFA to do with CFC and it is sufficient for most people to show support by wearing a poppy. I am always very suspicious of people like you who go out of their way to rally to the flag in times of conflict. Blind nationalism is such a good cover-up for any number of other personal and character flaws.


Well we should have told the family of the Chester soldier who lost his life in Afghanistan that it was SFA to do with CFC when CFC held a tribute and a minutes applause at the Deva v Chorely.

Or the Welsh Fusiliers who did a guard of Honor before we held a minutes Silence for then fallen Heroes on FORCES DAY-again at the Deva, organized by the CFU - that it's SFA to do with CFC !!

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Wind it in. I was at that game too and paid my respects in silent dignity.

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Thanks to the CFU for organizing the two events for our fallen heroes.

Unfortunately a simple thread celebrating and commentating the brave men of the Mercian regiment and the Welsh Fusiliers on the appropriate day, gets hijacked by a minority of self important cyber spokesmen.

Harry, aka? you disgust me, to think that people like you attach themselves to our football club, turns my stomach.


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