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post Apr 5 2016, 10:09 PM
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I post this as a fan and not as a former Board member.

There is just no way that the current management team will lead us into next season. No chance. Does anyone seriously believe that they will? It's not a question of whether there is a change but when.
I believe that the time is now.
The new management team will need the full off-season and pre-season to assemble the squad. We just can not wait for the season to end to get them in place.

It's time to make the tough decision. It's time to pull the trigger.


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post Apr 5 2016, 10:29 PM
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Can't argue with that. It's not often that a majority of chester support agrees on anything. But I think this is one of those times.


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post Apr 5 2016, 10:59 PM
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I think Burr should go now. He can't inspire the team and isn't adding any value by hanging around. Assuming we can afford to sack him or preferably another club come in for him, we still have the problem that Burr himself had 2 years ago ie not knowing what division we will be in next season. He clearly signed players for the Conference North before a reprieve put us back in the Conference Premier. While that was a great escape it meant we ended up with players who just weren't good enough for the higher level. So if we go for a manager do we go for 1. someone who could win the Conference North such as Neil Young part time or 2. A manager capable of keeping us in the Conference Premier. And who would sign for us not knowing what division we'll be in, what the budget would be and whether we are full or part time.

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post Apr 6 2016, 12:31 AM
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Folks. There are only four games to go. If anyone thinks sacking a manager now is the correct answer to our problem is in cloud cuckoo land. Next two home games get down to the deva and for goodness sake support the team.
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post Apr 6 2016, 06:15 AM
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The board are going to have some questions to answer if the worst happens. So far, they've striven to do and say nothing seemingly hoping everything will pan out ok.

However, they've had ample warnings about Burr and could have acted a long time ago. We need to know why he's been allowed to lead us in to this mess.

I feel as though we've needed more than 'masterly inactivity' from our chosen representatives on the Burr problem.


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post Apr 6 2016, 06:23 AM
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QUOTE (woolston blue @ Apr 5 2016, 11:59 PM) *
I think Burr should go now. He can't inspire the team and isn't adding any value by hanging around. Assuming we can afford to sack him or preferably another club come in for him, we still have the problem that Burr himself had 2 years ago ie not knowing what division we will be in next season. He clearly signed players for the Conference North before a reprieve put us back in the Conference Premier. While that was a great escape it meant we ended up with players who just weren't good enough for the higher level. So if we go for a manager do we go for 1. someone who could win the Conference North such as Neil Young part time or 2. A manager capable of keeping us in the Conference Premier. And who would sign for us not knowing what division we'll be in, what the budget would be and whether we are full or part time.


I think realistically if the club did make a change now it would be with someone coming in literally for the last four games and taking it from there. I can't see any hope of us getting a reprieve this time if we did finish in the bottom four.
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post Apr 6 2016, 06:59 AM
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I admire the unflappable "get behind the team" types, but I don't see much point. This team has spent half a season not just in relegation form, but bottom of the league form. The only games we've won have been against teams that haven't turned up, and at this stage in the season, that won't happen again, so I can't see any reason to think we'll win another game.

Apart from Wright, who I just didn't like regardless of the football, Burr is the only recent manager I've actually wanted sacked. There have been ones where I understood the decision but still felt disappointed about it, but nothing would make my day more today than to hear that Burr has left. When you weigh up their achievements against the circumstances in which they're managing, I think he's doing a worse job than any Chester boss of at least the last decade.

The last few results, all against poor-to-mediocre sides have done it for me, along with the bizarre, apathetic team selections. The goalkeeping situation is a total farce. I don't believe that Worsnop has been brought back into the team for football reasons. People have mentioned that Burr and Worsnop are friends, and I also think it's being done as a statement that he gave Thompson a chance and it didn't work (even though it did). I feel sorry for both keepers - Worsnop has, for some reason, been a liability all season and the fans and players in front of him have no confidence in him. Thompson, meanwhile, is a young keeper who came in and did well, but has seemingly found himself made a scapegoat for the Barrow defeat.

Is Burr really thinking "Yes, bringing John back into the team is the best thing to do at this stage of the season and gives us the best chance of avoiding relegation"? I don't think he is, and when he's making decisions to suit himself or somebody else rather than the good of the team, that's when enough is enough.
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post Apr 6 2016, 07:37 AM
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QUOTE (nytram @ Apr 6 2016, 01:31 AM) *
Folks. There are only four games to go. If anyone thinks sacking a manager now is the correct answer to our problem is in cloud cuckoo land. Next two home games get down to the deva and for goodness sake support the team.


I agree for no other reason than we don't have any natural leaders in the squad. If there was a George Horan type player you could put him in charge for 4 games with a couple of coaches around him. Changing now would just be hoping there is a kick on with a new guy (look at Newcastle, Raffa hasn't managed that and he is working everyday, all day with his squad). I'm resigned to just sitting tight hoping the opposition just don't turn up and we get 3pts. Just hope the board are agreeing the plan for the changes now, so as soon as th last game has finished and we know what league we are in next season they act.
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post Apr 6 2016, 07:57 AM
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Burr is the Steve McClaren of non league football - comes with a big reputation
From his involvement in the England C setup, but stick him in a crisis situation
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post Apr 6 2016, 08:19 AM
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QUOTE (Juan King @ Apr 6 2016, 08:57 AM) *
Burr is the Steve McClaren of non league football - comes with a big reputation
From his involvement in the England C setup, but stick him in a crisis situation
And he's useless.


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post Apr 6 2016, 08:36 AM
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As others have said I want Burr and Macca put on gardening leave for the rest of the season. And if he is still unemployed let's bring in Shaun Reid on a short-term contract, perfect to put a rocket up the team and those players not working hard enough, perfect to restore some pride and confidence, to reconnect with the fans and someone who has proven he knows how to prepare for cup games against better teams, because it seems to me that all our last 4 games are those now...


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post Apr 6 2016, 08:45 AM
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Is Jon McCarthy employed (paid) by us or is he still paid by MBNA foundation for his work in the community , if it is the latter it would be difficult to part company with him without offending our major benefactor/sponser . On another angle we would only have to pay off steve burr , keep McCarthy in the community role untill he decides to leave . I think the board need to decide to pay Burr off or do nothing and watch our demise in the National League .
I really wanted them both to be a success but cant see an end to the slide , feel that the likes of Ronnie Moore could maybe save us if we could get him , seem to remember him saving Hartlepool while tranmere went down.






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post Apr 6 2016, 09:04 AM
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I wont be putting any more money into the club while these two clowns are there.
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post Apr 6 2016, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE (captain duff @ Apr 6 2016, 09:36 AM) *
As others have said I want Burr and Macca put on gardening leave for the rest of the season. And if he is still unemployed let's bring in Shaun Reid on a short-term contract, perfect to put a rocket up the team and those players not working hard enough, perfect to restore some pride and confidence, to reconnect with the fans and someone who has proven he knows how to prepare for cup games against better teams, because it seems to me that all our last 4 games are those now...

if anyone saw the documentary on salford city last year you saw 2 managers/ coaches come in who stood no messing , said it like it was , and said to the players "if you dont like it go " thats the sort of manager we need someone with drive , burr is too quiet mr nice guy.
i was not at the torquay but blissett sounded a good signing , how come , they can sign him when they have financial issues and we are stuck with sometimes poor loan signings ?
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post Apr 6 2016, 09:14 AM
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QUOTE (Midnight Rider @ Apr 6 2016, 01:09 AM) *
I post this as a fan and not as a former Board member.

There is just no way that the current management team will lead us into next season. No chance. Does anyone seriously believe that they will? It's not a question of whether there is a change but when.
I believe that the time is now.
The new management team will need the full off-season and pre-season to assemble the squad. We just can not wait for the season to end to get them in place.

It's time to make the tough decision. It's time to pull the trigger.

What will it cost?
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post Apr 6 2016, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE (Finland Blue @ Apr 6 2016, 10:14 AM) *
QUOTE (Midnight Rider @ Apr 6 2016, 01:09 AM) *
I post this as a fan and not as a former Board member.

There is just no way that the current management team will lead us into next season. No chance. Does anyone seriously believe that they will? It's not a question of whether there is a change but when.
I believe that the time is now.
The new management team will need the full off-season and pre-season to assemble the squad. We just can not wait for the season to end to get them in place.

It's time to make the tough decision. It's time to pull the trigger.

What will it cost?


What will it cost if we go down and have these two contracted for next season in season ticket sales etc?

For me Jon McCarthy should be told to concentrate 100% on community trust affairs, we should be speaking to Mr Burman about settling with Steve Burr and speaking to somebody like Moore or Reid to come in and try to effect what we have.

Doing nothing to me means the board have accepted defeat.


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post Apr 6 2016, 09:25 AM
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QUOTE (Midnight Rider @ Apr 5 2016, 11:09 PM) *
I post this as a fan and not as a former Board member.

There is just no way that the current management team will lead us into next season. No chance. Does anyone seriously believe that they will? It's not a question of whether there is a change but when.
I believe that the time is now.
The new management team will need the full off-season and pre-season to assemble the squad. We just can not wait for the season to end to get them in place.

It's time to make the tough decision. It's time to pull the trigger.



I echo this , even if we survive and they stay on can you imagine season ticket sales after the dross we have witnessed this season . The current management team as stated cant take us forward so the board need to act .
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post Apr 6 2016, 09:36 AM
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QUOTE (NWAS @ Apr 6 2016, 10:22 AM) *
QUOTE (Finland Blue @ Apr 6 2016, 10:14 AM) *
QUOTE (Midnight Rider @ Apr 6 2016, 01:09 AM) *
I post this as a fan and not as a former Board member.

There is just no way that the current management team will lead us into next season. No chance. Does anyone seriously believe that they will? It's not a question of whether there is a change but when.
I believe that the time is now.
The new management team will need the full off-season and pre-season to assemble the squad. We just can not wait for the season to end to get them in place.

It's time to make the tough decision. It's time to pull the trigger.

What will it cost?


What will it cost if we go down and have these two contracted for next season in season ticket sales etc?

For me Jon McCarthy should be told to concentrate 100% on community trust affairs, we should be speaking to Mr Burman about settling with Steve Burr and speaking to somebody like Moore or Reid to come in and try to effect what we have.

Doing nothing to me means the board have accepted defeat.


I agree Mark, keep McCarthy in his community role, which I think he is best at.
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For those saying it is too late to change things, it's perhaps worth noting that in 2012 Barnet reappointed Martin Allen with just three games left and he kept them up. I'm not saying for one second that definitely means we'd be fine if we made a change now, but I wouldn't discount the idea either.
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post Apr 6 2016, 09:40 AM
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QUOTE (NWAS @ Apr 6 2016, 10:22 AM) *
QUOTE (Finland Blue @ Apr 6 2016, 10:14 AM) *
QUOTE (Midnight Rider @ Apr 6 2016, 01:09 AM) *
I post this as a fan and not as a former Board member.

There is just no way that the current management team will lead us into next season. No chance. Does anyone seriously believe that they will? It's not a question of whether there is a change but when.
I believe that the time is now.
The new management team will need the full off-season and pre-season to assemble the squad. We just can not wait for the season to end to get them in place.

It's time to make the tough decision. It's time to pull the trigger.

What will it cost?


What will it cost if we go down and have these two contracted for next season in season ticket sales etc?

For me Jon McCarthy should be told to concentrate 100% on community trust affairs, we should be speaking to Mr Burman about settling with Steve Burr and speaking to somebody like Moore or Reid to come in and try to effect what we have.

Doing nothing to me means the board have accepted defeat.


If I was the Chairman, or on the Board, I wouldn't be sleeping at the moment, whatever the outcome over the next few weeks it will require a very tough decision. It's times like this when you need a single strong decision maker not a committee.

Sometimes, "do nothing" is the most difficult path to take, it's always on my list for consideration and is usually the shortest or longest item to be discussed - in this case Burr staying is the more difficult choice to make.

I've no idea of all the details, contracts, finances, etc, but for me, the overriding aspect is the long term future of the club. We've can survive relegation, but may struggle to survive relegation and a severe dent in the finances.
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post Apr 6 2016, 10:39 AM
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No-one on the pitch or in the stands seems to be enjoying Chester FC at the moment. No player is 'buzzing'. The team do not look like they are enjoying their football at all. This has to be down to the football manager. Whether we stay up or go down, nice guy that he is, Mr Burr has to go. This season has been a massive disappointment and the squad assembly has been very poor. The only improvement from last season was finding a decent goalscorer who will not be with us next season anyway. Sorry Steve - time is up. Board must act now.
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QUOTE (captain duff @ Apr 6 2016, 09:36 AM) *
As others have said I want Burr and Macca put on gardening leave for the rest of the season. And if he is still unemployed let's bring in Shaun Reid on a short-term contract, perfect to put a rocket up the team and those players not working hard enough, perfect to restore some pride and confidence, to reconnect with the fans and someone who has proven he knows how to prepare for cup games against better teams, because it seems to me that all our last 4 games are those now...

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I wouldnt bring in anyone from outside the set up though to see us through the last four games
I would ask Sharps if he is up for a challenge as player coach, we all know ( and i think Sharps knows) that his legs just are not there anymore, but i still see a willingness to win in Sharps, he would also know the players inside out to drive them on.


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post Apr 6 2016, 12:20 PM
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QUOTE (open yer eyes man @ Apr 6 2016, 12:05 PM) *
QUOTE (captain duff @ Apr 6 2016, 09:36 AM) *
As others have said I want Burr and Macca put on gardening leave for the rest of the season. And if he is still unemployed let's bring in Shaun Reid on a short-term contract, perfect to put a rocket up the team and those players not working hard enough, perfect to restore some pride and confidence, to reconnect with the fans and someone who has proven he knows how to prepare for cup games against better teams, because it seems to me that all our last 4 games are those now...

^This part ^

I wouldnt bring in anyone from outside the set up though to see us through the last four games
I would ask Sharps if he is up for a challenge as player coach, we all know ( and i think Sharps knows) that his legs just are not there anymore, but i still see a willingness to win in Sharps, he would also know the players inside out to drive them on.


Ive not seen this willingness from Sharps. He looks like he is thoroughly depressed each time he plays for us, I dont see this man who has apparently been an inspirational skipper for many clubs. He should have been picking up these lads and organising on the pitch, whereas he just seems half baked to me. He has been pretty dreadful all season too, not sure the players would respond to him.


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post Apr 6 2016, 01:43 PM
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QUOTE (Big Si @ Apr 6 2016, 01:20 PM) *
QUOTE (open yer eyes man @ Apr 6 2016, 12:05 PM) *
QUOTE (captain duff @ Apr 6 2016, 09:36 AM) *
As others have said I want Burr and Macca put on gardening leave for the rest of the season. And if he is still unemployed let's bring in Shaun Reid on a short-term contract, perfect to put a rocket up the team and those players not working hard enough, perfect to restore some pride and confidence, to reconnect with the fans and someone who has proven he knows how to prepare for cup games against better teams, because it seems to me that all our last 4 games are those now...

^This part ^

I wouldnt bring in anyone from outside the set up though to see us through the last four games
I would ask Sharps if he is up for a challenge as player coach, we all know ( and i think Sharps knows) that his legs just are not there anymore, but i still see a willingness to win in Sharps, he would also know the players inside out to drive them on.


Ive not seen this willingness from Sharps. He looks like he is thoroughly depressed each time he plays for us, I dont see this man who has apparently been an inspirational skipper for many clubs. He should have been picking up these lads and organising on the pitch, whereas he just seems half baked to me. He has been pretty dreadful all season too, not sure the players would respond to him.


Agreed he has no idea how to motivate this team, probably exacerbated by being demotivated as a result of being found out in this league (I'm sure he thought he could cut it another year).


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QUOTE (Juan King @ Apr 6 2016, 08:57 AM) *
Burr is the Steve McClaren of non league football - comes with a big reputation
From his involvement in the England C setup, but stick him in a crisis situation
And he's useless.


The worst part is the oft-repeated story that he's choosing his friend to play in the team rather than the right player for the position. If this is true he should be sacked forthwith. If it isn't, he should come out and deny it, so that the story dies a death.


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