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post Apr 3 2016, 02:15 PM
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Knowing the restraints of the budget, the size of our crowds, the potential pulling power in the area.
Does anybody realistically believe we can support a full-time proffessional club under the current circumstances without going into debt?
In my opinion, we should, for the time being, accept that we are mid-to-lower table in the National League, and are likely to stay that way for a time, at the end of the day it's down to money, and unless ways are found to raise more cash, (and I know there are one two ideas being planned, the car boot etc). we have to accept it, like it or not, we are where we are. cityscarf.gif


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post Apr 3 2016, 02:29 PM
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A full time professional club should be our long term goal. As for now I've accepted mid to lower table is fine and is our level. Looking at yesterday's attendances in this division though we were still one of the highest even with the kick off time f**k up.
My problem this season has been just how poor some our performances and individual performances have been. I can't question the younger players in the squad. They have tried their best in tough circumstances. But some of the more experienced members of the squad should hang their heads in shame.
I was delighted when we got Burr but over time i have lost enthusiasm for him. He just comes across as far too casual. And I don't mean I want him to jump up and down on the touch line. I just feel his whole approach is a bit lazy.
We're forever being told about budget. If our budget is so s**t we need a manager who for every hour we pay him, he works double. And I just don't get the feeling we've got that. Though I'm aware im not fully in touch of the facts on that score.
This time last year I was relatively happy with where we were. I genuinely thought we should have finished the season better than we did but there were signs of progression and signs we were building a young squad. I'm not entirely sure where it's gone wrong but it's blatantly obvious we've gone backwards!


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post Apr 3 2016, 03:02 PM
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Regarding the car boot sales when are they starting?

I asked in the office when collecting tickets and they hadn't even heard about them. They should be running from at least April until October and at say £10 a car and more for vans and trailers £1000 a week is quite realistic.
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post Apr 3 2016, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE (Neil Fishers Biggest Fan @ Apr 3 2016, 03:15 PM) *
Knowing the restraints of the budget, the size of our crowds, the potential pulling power in the area.
Does anybody realistically believe we can support a full-time proffessional club under the current circumstances without going into debt?
In my opinion, we should, for the time being, accept that we are mid-to-lower table in the National League, and are likely to stay that way for a time, at the end of the day it's down to money, and unless ways are found to raise more cash, (and I know there are one two ideas being planned, the car boot etc). we have to accept it, like it or not, we are where we are. cityscarf.gif


I'd take another couple of seasons to build a squad at this level if we stay up.
Give Calum a chance to bring some youngsters into contention and into the first team.
Then build some real momentum within the community, explore and utilise every potential revenue stream, give the manager a chance to compete towards the play offs
Longer term, I think we could mount a challenge to be promoted and if we manage to get into the FL again, we could easily stay there and compete with our gates and the central funding. That's the dream anyway. Just hope we can stay up this season or all of the above will be mute
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post Apr 3 2016, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE (Neil Fishers Biggest Fan @ Apr 3 2016, 03:15 PM) *
Knowing the restraints of the budget, the size of our crowds, the potential pulling power in the area.
Does anybody realistically believe we can support a full-time proffessional club under the current circumstances without going into debt?
In my opinion, we should, for the time being, accept that we are mid-to-lower table in the National League, and are likely to stay that way for a time, at the end of the day it's down to money, and unless ways are found to raise more cash, (and I know there are one two ideas being planned, the car boot etc). we have to accept it, like it or not, we are where we are. cityscarf.gif


How will a car boot sale etc generate funds that we require to go full time. You are right we are never going to make it in the league we are presently in under the current guise. At the season's end whichever league we are in the club needs to take a long hard look at itself and the way it is being run both on and off the field. This appointment of the CEO needs to be the most important since the club reformed. Someone with the club at heart and not in it to feather his/her own nest.
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post Apr 3 2016, 03:20 PM
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after about 10 games in...i made my mind up that SB was definitely not going to be the messiah that most expected, and poor replacement for NY...i was slaughtered on here by a few for expressing my view ...look, would Leicester fans have been saying the same thing about their side last season ...its not all down to finance, if we get the right manager in who can put a half decent squad together..we could easily be pushing for the play offs in a couple of seasons time...we just need the right guy in charge..and also crowds will return...finances will be boosted......its not the end of the world...
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post Apr 3 2016, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE (rimmersring @ Apr 3 2016, 03:20 PM) *
after about 10 games in...i made my mind up that SB was definitely not going to be the messiah that most expected, and poor replacement for NY...i was slaughtered on here by a few for expressing my view ...look, would Leicester fans have been saying the same thing about their side last season ...its not all down to finance, if we get the right manager in who can put a half decent squad together..we could easily be pushing for the play offs in a couple of seasons time...we just need the right guy in charge..and also crowds will return...finances will be boosted......its not the end of the world...

The thing is the crowds ant come if we are below top 10 in any league we play so it's a tough one.
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post Apr 3 2016, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE (Neil Fishers Biggest Fan @ Apr 3 2016, 03:15 PM) *
Knowing the restraints of the budget, the size of our crowds, the potential pulling power in the area.
Does anybody realistically believe we can support a full-time proffessional club under the current circumstances without going into debt?
In my opinion, we should, for the time being, accept that we are mid-to-lower table in the National League, and are likely to stay that way for a time, at the end of the day it's down to money, and unless ways are found to raise more cash, (and I know there are one two ideas being planned, the car boot etc). we have to accept it, like it or not, we are where we are. cityscarf.gif


I disagree. I appreciate we have to be realistic, but I don't think we should be battling relegation.
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post Apr 3 2016, 03:33 PM
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I honestly believe with the current business model we have we will be stuck in the 5th tier of English football forever. It's all about cash unfortunately, bucketfuls of it, and we haven't got any. If this is the case then so be it I'll continue to watch but if we drop a division then that's it for me I'm afraid.
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post Apr 3 2016, 03:39 PM
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As a fan owned club we haven't a cat in hells chance of getting in the football league. Apathy rules in Chester and we don't have the fanbase or potential fanbase to support a league club without outside investment.

With our limitations I cannot complain about us being a mid-table team in this league, because realistically I believe that is where we belong. I cannot however accept relegation and despite us not being among the top budgeted teams, our present position is down to sheer bad management.
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post Apr 3 2016, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE (Billy W @ Apr 3 2016, 04:39 PM) *
As a fan owned club we haven't a cat in hells chance of getting in the football league. Apathy rules in Chester and we don't have the fanbase or potential fanbase to support a league club without outside investment.

With our limitations I cannot complain about us being a mid-table team in this league, because realistically I believe that is where we belong. I cannot however accept relegation and despite us not being among the top budgeted teams, our present position is down to sheer bad management.

I think that the club has not got the same 'feel' to it as it did when we kicked off in 2010/11. In those days there was a real feelgood factor around the place. There was a real community feel to the club, which sadly seems to be lacking these days.
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QUOTE (waggoner @ Apr 3 2016, 03:46 PM) *
QUOTE (Billy W @ Apr 3 2016, 04:39 PM) *
As a fan owned club we haven't a cat in hells chance of getting in the football league. Apathy rules in Chester and we don't have the fanbase or potential fanbase to support a league club without outside investment.

With our limitations I cannot complain about us being a mid-table team in this league, because realistically I believe that is where we belong. I cannot however accept relegation and despite us not being among the top budgeted teams, our present position is down to sheer bad management.

I think that the club has not got the same 'feel' to it as it did when we kicked off in 2010/11. In those days there was a real feelgood factor around the place. There was a real community feel to the club, which sadly seems to be lacking these days.


^^ ^^ totally agree with this the feel good factor has long gone
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post Apr 3 2016, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE (chester fan 2015/16 @ Apr 3 2016, 03:55 PM) *
QUOTE (waggoner @ Apr 3 2016, 03:46 PM) *
QUOTE (Billy W @ Apr 3 2016, 04:39 PM) *
As a fan owned club we haven't a cat in hells chance of getting in the football league. Apathy rules in Chester and we don't have the fanbase or potential fanbase to support a league club without outside investment.

With our limitations I cannot complain about us being a mid-table team in this league, because realistically I believe that is where we belong. I cannot however accept relegation and despite us not being among the top budgeted teams, our present position is down to sheer bad management.

I think that the club has not got the same 'feel' to it as it did when we kicked off in 2010/11. In those days there was a real feelgood factor around the place. There was a real community feel to the club, which sadly seems to be lacking these days.


^^ ^^ totally agree with this the feel good factor has long gone

Sorry but we were winning every week we were bound to have a feel good factor, that's what winning does
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post Apr 3 2016, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE (Billy W @ Apr 3 2016, 03:39 PM) *
As a fan owned club we haven't a cat in hells chance of getting in the football league. Apathy rules in Chester and we don't have the fanbase or potential fanbase to support a league club without outside investment.

With our limitations I cannot complain about us being a mid-table team in this league, because realistically I believe that is where we belong. I cannot however accept relegation and despite us not being among the top budgeted teams, our present position is down to sheer bad management.

Agree.
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post Apr 3 2016, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE (Derry Blue @ Apr 3 2016, 07:42 PM) *
QUOTE (Billy W @ Apr 3 2016, 03:39 PM) *
As a fan owned club we haven't a cat in hells chance of getting in the football league. Apathy rules in Chester and we don't have the fanbase or potential fanbase to support a league club without outside investment.

With our limitations I cannot complain about us being a mid-table team in this league, because realistically I believe that is where we belong. I cannot however accept relegation and despite us not being among the top budgeted teams, our present position is down to sheer bad management.

Agree.


I wouldn't say it is impossible but it's going to take a great manager and a good dose of luck. You have to find the right players at the right time, sometimes it just clicks and if the right manager is steering a group of young, enthusiastic and talented lads then anything can happen. It does seem like a pipe dream the way things are at the moment but hey, we have to believe. We've all seen plenty of ups and downs supporting Chester and one thing we all know, you just never know what's around the corner.
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post Apr 3 2016, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE (Billy W @ Apr 3 2016, 04:39 PM) *
As a fan owned club we haven't a cat in hells chance of getting in the football league. Apathy rules in Chester and we don't have the fanbase or potential fanbase to support a league club without outside investment.

With our limitations I cannot complain about us being a mid-table team in this league, because realistically I believe that is where we belong. I cannot however accept relegation and despite us not being among the top budgeted teams, our present position is down to sheer bad management.


I think we could sustain ourselves in the Football League under the current ownership model, teams on lower gates than us seem to manage it. Very slim chance of getting there though.


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post Apr 3 2016, 07:20 PM
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The problem for me seems to be one of stability at the top of the club. How many chairmen have we had since we reformed? Every one according to posters of Deva Chat have one way or another been found wanting, is it any wonder that we are in this malaise? I agree with the poster who says that the appointment of the right CEO is essential for future development but above all we must have some consistency at the very top of the club. All IMHO of course.
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post Apr 3 2016, 07:37 PM
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I want us to play at the highest level possible, but not at the expense of the financial stability of the club.

What else do I want?

A management team that does not constantly refer to the 'budget' after every defeat - if you can't or won't work with the limited budget, then hand over the reins to someone who will.

Players who give everything out on the pitch - Tom Shaw, you have been an embarrassment to the shirt.

A CEO to provide leadership and direction off the pitch, to shake up the commercial operations of the club and to make sustained and successful efforts to rebuild the links with the local community, and in particular to attract the next generation of supporters.

Wherever that takes us, I will be happy.


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post Apr 3 2016, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE (Treeny @ Apr 3 2016, 07:11 PM) *
QUOTE (Billy W @ Apr 3 2016, 04:39 PM) *
As a fan owned club we haven't a cat in hells chance of getting in the football league. Apathy rules in Chester and we don't have the fanbase or potential fanbase to support a league club without outside investment.

With our limitations I cannot complain about us being a mid-table team in this league, because realistically I believe that is where we belong. I cannot however accept relegation and despite us not being among the top budgeted teams, our present position is down to sheer bad management.


I think we could sustain ourselves in the Football League under the current ownership model, teams on lower gates than us seem to manage it. Very slim chance of getting there though.

Of course they succeed on lower gates than ours - the difference is they have wealthy owners to make up the shortfall, same as FGR, Eastleigh, Dover etc. As a fan owned club we don't have that luxury.
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QUOTE (Rossett Blue @ Apr 3 2016, 08:37 PM) *
I want us to play at the highest level possible, but not at the expense of the financial stability of the club.

What else do I want?

A management team that does not constantly refer to the 'budget' after every defeat - if you can't or won't work with the limited budget, then hand over the reins to someone who will.

Players who give everything out on the pitch - Tom Shaw, you have been an embarrassment to the shirt.

A CEO to provide leadership and direction off the pitch, to shake up the commercial operations of the club and to make sustained and successful efforts to rebuild the links with the local community, and in particular to attract the next generation of supporters.

Wherever that takes us, I will be happy.

I think we need to have a look at the fans owned club just up the road. They dont seem to be doing a bad job.
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QUOTE (Chaz @ Apr 3 2016, 07:06 PM) *
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QUOTE (Billy W @ Apr 3 2016, 03:39 PM) *
As a fan owned club we haven't a cat in hells chance of getting in the football league. Apathy rules in Chester and we don't have the fanbase or potential fanbase to support a league club without outside investment.

With our limitations I cannot complain about us being a mid-table team in this league, because realistically I believe that is where we belong. I cannot however accept relegation and despite us not being among the top budgeted teams, our present position is down to sheer bad management.

Agree.


I wouldn't say it is impossible but it's going to take a great manager and a good dose of luck. You have to find the right players at the right time, sometimes it just clicks and if the right manager is steering a group of young, enthusiastic and talented lads then anything can happen. It does seem like a pipe dream the way things are at the moment but hey, we have to believe. We've all seen plenty of ups and downs supporting Chester and one thing we all know, you just never know what's around the corner.

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QUOTE (scottie83 @ Apr 3 2016, 07:58 PM) *
QUOTE (Rossett Blue @ Apr 3 2016, 08:37 PM) *
I want us to play at the highest level possible, but not at the expense of the financial stability of the club.

What else do I want?

A management team that does not constantly refer to the 'budget' after every defeat - if you can't or won't work with the limited budget, then hand over the reins to someone who will.

Players who give everything out on the pitch - Tom Shaw, you have been an embarrassment to the shirt.

A CEO to provide leadership and direction off the pitch, to shake up the commercial operations of the club and to make sustained and successful efforts to rebuild the links with the local community, and in particular to attract the next generation of supporters.

Wherever that takes us, I will be happy.

I think we need to have a look at the fans owned club just up the road. They dont seem to be doing a bad job.

They do seem to have adapted to fan ownership better than us and seem much more professional probably because their WST membership and season ticket sales dwarf our numbers.
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Agree with you on that as they have a wider fan base than us.
Also, they took over an already established club.

We on the other hand are a 'new' club having been in business for only 6 years.
To be in the position we are is truly remarkable.

There are a lot older clubs in football who have had their problems and still do, Stockport County.
Like it or not, FCUM have had the right approach and taken things slowly.
We, due to our initial successes have placed big expectations and goals.

Goals that we are just not ready to aim for.

I think we just have to accept who we are and 'suck it up' for a while.



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QUOTE (NorwegianBlue @ Apr 4 2016, 11:17 AM) *
Agree with you on that as they have a wider fan base than us.
Also, they took over an already established club.

We on the other hand are a 'new' club having been in business for only 6 years.
To be in the position we are is truly remarkable.

There are a lot older clubs in football who have had their problems and still do, Stockport County.
Like it or not, FCUM have had the right approach and taken things slowly.
We, due to our initial successes have placed big expectations and goals.

Goals that we are just not ready to aim for.

I think we just have to accept who we are and 'suck it up' for a while.

Agreed.


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QUOTE (Rossett Blue @ Apr 3 2016, 07:37 PM) *
I want us to play at the highest level possible, but not at the expense of the financial stability of the club.

What else do I want?

A management team that does not constantly refer to the 'budget' after every defeat - if you can't or won't work with the limited budget, then hand over the reins to someone who will.

Players who give everything out on the pitch - Tom Shaw, you have been an embarrassment to the shirt.

A CEO to provide leadership and direction off the pitch, to shake up the commercial operations of the club and to make sustained and successful efforts to rebuild the links with the local community, and in particular to attract the next generation of supporters.

Wherever that takes us, I will be happy.



Echoes my sentiments to the letter, sir


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