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post Sep 26 2016, 10:00 PM
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/26...rdyce-for-sale/
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post Sep 26 2016, 10:08 PM
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Everyone knows how corrupt people are when money in concerned. I think he could and maybe should go for this, Eddie Howe?
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Personally, not interested in the slightest, in the England football team or manager.
Finding that the people, at the top of the game are corrupt, is a bit like finding out that a bear c&@ps, in the woods.
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Everyone knows how corrupt people are when money in concerned. I think he could and maybe should go for this, Eddie Howe?


Really embarrassing for the FA this. I also can't help but feel it's a bit sly of the telegraph to purposely go under-cover and act as a fake agent to set him up..

I doubt Eddie Howe would leave Bournemouth at this stage in the season.

Apparently Southgate is being tipped. I'd like Gary Neville myself, despite his obvious lack of managerial experience.

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post Sep 27 2016, 01:20 AM
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It's an obvious stitch up. If Sam had been in the job for a few years I'd probably be inclined to defend him on those grounds but considering he had barely warmed the seat up he surely has to go. What an idiot.

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post Sep 27 2016, 06:02 AM
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Far too many England managers in the last 25 years have left because of media reasons rather than football reasons. Sam does sound like he's been very foolish, but this story's all just a bit "he said, she said" for my liking. Most of it seems of little journalistic value.

We do have an unhelpful media in this country. They love to stir up s**t but rarely uncover anything of any worth. Operation Yewtree, Hillsborough, Chilcott, it's certainly not much thanks to the main newspapers that any of this came out.
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post Sep 27 2016, 07:27 AM
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Far too many England managers in the last 25 years have left because of media reasons rather than football reasons. Sam does sound like he's been very foolish, but this story's all just a bit "he said, she said" for my liking. Most of it seems of little journalistic value.

We do have an unhelpful media in this country. They love to stir up s**t but rarely uncover anything of any worth. Operation Yewtree, Hillsborough, Chilcott, it's certainly not much thanks to the main newspapers that any of this came out.



Oh well, that's a ten month investigation by the Telegraph put firmly in its place.
Very insightful analysis, thanks for that .
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Some interesting quotes from Big Sam about the FA, England, Hodgson, Neville and even Will and Harry, "innit like."

Looks as if this is just a small piece of the Torygraph's big year-long investigation into corruption in the game, and it appears more incriminating stories will be appearing over the coming days and weeks involving other high-profile football people.
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post Sep 27 2016, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE (AGL @ Sep 27 2016, 08:27 AM) *
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Far too many England managers in the last 25 years have left because of media reasons rather than football reasons. Sam does sound like he's been very foolish, but this story's all just a bit "he said, she said" for my liking. Most of it seems of little journalistic value.

We do have an unhelpful media in this country. They love to stir up s**t but rarely uncover anything of any worth. Operation Yewtree, Hillsborough, Chilcott, it's certainly not much thanks to the main newspapers that any of this came out.



Oh well, that's a ten month investigation by the Telegraph put firmly in its place.
Very insightful analysis, thanks for that .


Innocent until proven guilty

He does seem to stress that he has to clear any proposals with the powers that be.

Newspapers are a malevolent force . I would never buy one, well, with the possible exception of the NLP.

Such a shame

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post Sep 27 2016, 12:42 PM
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Far too many England managers in the last 25 years have left because of media reasons rather than football reasons. Sam does sound like he's been very foolish, but this story's all just a bit "he said, she said" for my liking. Most of it seems of little journalistic value.

We do have an unhelpful media in this country. They love to stir up s**t but rarely uncover anything of any worth. Operation Yewtree, Hillsborough, Chilcott, it's certainly not much thanks to the main newspapers that any of this came out.



Oh well, that's a ten month investigation by the Telegraph put firmly in its place.
Very insightful analysis, thanks for that .


Innocent until proven guilty

He does seem to stress that he has to clear any proposals with the powers that be.

Newspapers are a malevolent force . I would never buy one, well, with the possible exception of the NLP.

Such a shame



The shame is that the England manager, a full time FA employee, is at worst allegedly involved in subverting the rules or at best behaving in a sleazy way. Why is he getting involved in this sort of thing in the first place irrespective of whether it turns out to be a sting? The only thing that might save him is his comment that he needs to clear it with the FA but suspect he will go. By the way, the whole cash for questions MP scandal came from a newspaper investigation. Don't think it was the NLP, from memory.
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post Sep 27 2016, 05:14 PM
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Far too many England managers in the last 25 years have left because of media reasons rather than football reasons. Sam does sound like he's been very foolish, but this story's all just a bit "he said, she said" for my liking. Most of it seems of little journalistic value.

We do have an unhelpful media in this country. They love to stir up s**t but rarely uncover anything of any worth. Operation Yewtree, Hillsborough, Chilcott, it's certainly not much thanks to the main newspapers that any of this came out.



Oh well, that's a ten month investigation by the Telegraph put firmly in its place.
Very insightful analysis, thanks for that .


Innocent until proven guilty

He does seem to stress that he has to clear any proposals with the powers that be.

Newspapers are a malevolent force . I would never buy one, well, with the possible exception of the NLP.

Such a shame



The shame is that the England manager, a full time FA employee, is at worst allegedly involved in subverting the rules or at best behaving in a sleazy way. Why is he getting involved in this sort of thing in the first place irrespective of whether it turns out to be a sting? The only thing that might save him is his comment that he needs to clear it with the FA but suspect he will go. By the way, the whole cash for questions MP scandal came from a newspaper investigation. Don't think it was the NLP, from memory.


Sorry, there are few if any national newspapers that have morals and integrity. Phone hacking, Hillsborough to name a few.


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post Sep 27 2016, 05:29 PM
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Far too many England managers in the last 25 years have left because of media reasons rather than football reasons. Sam does sound like he's been very foolish, but this story's all just a bit "he said, she said" for my liking. Most of it seems of little journalistic value.

We do have an unhelpful media in this country. They love to stir up s**t but rarely uncover anything of any worth. Operation Yewtree, Hillsborough, Chilcott, it's certainly not much thanks to the main newspapers that any of this came out.



Oh well, that's a ten month investigation by the Telegraph put firmly in its place.
Very insightful analysis, thanks for that .


Innocent until proven guilty

He does seem to stress that he has to clear any proposals with the powers that be.

Newspapers are a malevolent force . I would never buy one, well, with the possible exception of the NLP.

Such a shame



The shame is that the England manager, a full time FA employee, is at worst allegedly involved in subverting the rules or at best behaving in a sleazy way. Why is he getting involved in this sort of thing in the first place irrespective of whether it turns out to be a sting? The only thing that might save him is his comment that he needs to clear it with the FA but suspect he will go. By the way, the whole cash for questions MP scandal came from a newspaper investigation. Don't think it was the NLP, from memory.


Sorry, there are few if any national newspapers that have morals and integrity. Phone hacking, Hillsborough to name a few.




Up to a point you are right. No doubt the NoW and Sun were out of control on phone hacking. Hillsborough was a terrible error of judgement by an editor who made the mistake of believing the lies fed by police. But that overlooks a lot of the scandals exposed by newspapers. There's still a place for the type of good journalism demonstrated here by the Telegraph. Sadly fewer and fewer publishers are willing to invest in proper investigations because they take so long. Allardyce has made a fool of himself and discredited the job. It's right he should be exposed and there's nothing wrong with a sting.

What's the alternative?

"Hey Sam, we hear you're helping dodgy guys from the Middle East get round our football rules. Is that true?"

"No"

"Oh, OK then. Keep up the good work"

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Wasn't all this kind of stuff already 'exposed' years ago by Panarama, about Allardyce and Redknapp as well? Not a lot seemed to come of it. To me, it all seemed a bit 'if what X said is true, and Y did this, it means Z might have done this". It all just seemed a bit gossipy and lacking in any concrete conclusion.

It's those bullet points in the Telegraph I find a bit pathetic. It just reminds me of the school snitch. Who cares what Allardyce said about Hodgson and the FA? He's entitled to an opinion, and it's hard to disagree with him.
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QUOTE (XWWB @ Sep 27 2016, 06:59 PM) *
Wasn't all this kind of stuff already 'exposed' years ago by Panarama, about Allardyce and Redknapp as well? Not a lot seemed to come of it. To me, it all seemed a bit 'if what X said is true, and Y did this, it means Z might have done this". It all just seemed a bit gossipy and lacking in any concrete conclusion.

It's those bullet points in the Telegraph I find a bit pathetic. It just reminds me of the school snitch. Who cares what Allardyce said about Hodgson and the FA? He's entitled to an opinion, and it's hard to disagree with him.

I tend to agree mate. I don't know who those journalists think they're impressing with all their 'findings'. I've never liked tactics such as these.

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The right decision. Would be interested to know if he gets a pay-off.
What an absolute clown. I don't particularly care about Engalnd but you can't have the national team manager behaving like that. No integrity.
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The right decision. Would be interested to know if he gets a pay-off.
What an absolute clown. I don't particularly care about Engalnd but you can't have the national team manager behaving like that. No integrity.


No pay off....he has left by mutual consent
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100% record! Amazing what greed will do.



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The right decision. Would be interested to know if he gets a pay-off.
What an absolute clown. I don't particularly care about Engalnd but you can't have the national team manager behaving like that. No integrity.



Shows how low the national game has sunk ! Far too much money swilling around at the top level, and even being paid £3m per year to do a job he apparently has always wanted is still not enough!

And whilst I don't condone the newspaper sting operations like this, ultimately the only person to blame is himself; if he had chosen to focus 100% on the job in question this surely would not have happened.

As much as I have little interest in the England national team these days I am finding myself really angry at this and how this puts our game firmly in the gutter!!
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England are an embarrassment to support really aren't they? Hard to have any pride in them.
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The right decision. Would be interested to know if he gets a pay-off.
What an absolute clown. I don't particularly care about Engalnd but you can't have the national team manager behaving like that. No integrity.


No pay off....he has left by mutual consent




Pay off will still be part of the deal to go quietly .... at least £1 million being reported. That's scandalous.

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The right decision. Would be interested to know if he gets a pay-off.
What an absolute clown. I don't particularly care about Engalnd but you can't have the national team manager behaving like that. No integrity.



Shows how low the national game has sunk ! Far too much money swilling around at the top level, and even being paid £3m per year to do a job he apparently has always wanted is still not enough!

And whilst I don't condone the newspaper sting operations like this, ultimately the only person to blame is himself; if he had chosen to focus 100% on the job in question this surely would not have happened.

As much as I have little interest in the England national team these days I am finding myself really angry at this and how this puts our game firmly in the gutter!!


Whilst I somewhat agree with you if they uncover genuine widespread corruption then they are a tool which is needed. I think they need to investigate a lot deeper especially into the premiers**te which is probably corrupt from top to bottom with all the money thats floating about there. These multi millionaire owners didnt get rich by following the rules and being nice and the FA are turning a blind eye as they are benefitting nicely aswell

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